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 Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:20 am Post subject: Excessive Language = Threatening |
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THE RULES
1. No threats.
I would argue that excessive language directed in a derogatory manner at a single party does absolutely nothing to contribute to intellectual discourse on this forum, or for civility for that matter, and could be construed as threatening.
I think that the out of control flame wars on this forum are a detriment to, rather than conducive to "free speech".
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FlatEarth1024
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:36 am Post subject: Re: Excessive Language = Threatening |
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| gnosis wrote: | THE RULES
1. No threats.
I would argue that excessive language does absolutely nothing to contribute to intellectual discourse on this forum, or for civility for that matter, and could be construed as threatening.
I think that the out of control flame wars on this forum are a detriment to, rather than conducive to "free speech". |
I'm torn on this one. Our more abusive posters (and you know who you are!) exhibit behavior that is boorish, bullying, demeaning and intimidating. But I don't think you could shade it into the realm of threatening. Even the more skelish commentary of some of our most ITG posters, while serving no constructive purpose, never contains a message of personal violence.
So while I would like to see that shit disappear (you fucking fuckwad butthurt cowards!), I would have to vehemently disagree that it be umbrella'd under the threat rule.
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gnosis
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:40 am Post subject: Re: Excessive Language = Threatening |
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| FlatEarth1024 wrote: |
I'm torn on this one. Our more abusive posters (and you know who you are!) exhibit behavior that is boorish, bullying, demeaning and intimidating. But I don't think you could shade it into the realm of threatening. Even the more skelish commentary of some of our most ITG posters, while serving no constructive purpose, never contains a message of personal violence.
So while I would like to see that shit disappear (you fucking fuckwad butthurt cowards!), I would have to vehemently disagree that it be umbrella'd under the threat rule. |
You know that we don't always agree on every issue FE, but I respect opposing viewpoints (including yours) and I enjoy listening to them, that's why I'm here. I think that a certain modicum of respect and civility is necessary, however, for a discussion to take place. Discussion is the entire point of a forum, is it not? I'm not for "censorship", but I think it's pretty easy to tell the difference between "language" and "excessive language". I think the majority of us on this forum do not use "excessive language".
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:51 am Post subject: |
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| Moloth wrote: | fuck you, you fucking fuck.
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LOL! Fuck you too Moloth. Fuck you too.  I dig your site man, btw. What class is your main on WoW?
Perfect example though, obviously nonthreatening. I think we can all tell the difference. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:20 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | excessive language |
Yeah, we should all learn hand signals, then figure out a way to display them with ASCII art or animated GIFs.
Here's one: 
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:27 am Post subject: Re: Excessive Language = Threatening |
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| gnosis wrote: | THE RULES
1. No threats.
I would argue that excessive language does absolutely nothing to contribute to intellectual discourse on this forum, or for civility for that matter, and could be construed as threatening.
I think that the out of control flame wars on this forum are a detriment to, rather than conducive to "free speech". |
Actually it's a lot better right now than it was several months ago. Some people are going to use abusive language, are not going to stop and will gladly tell you they don't care if you don't like it. You just have to put up with a certain amount.
I agree entirley with your point of course.
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I'm not threatening? 
aw, i thought everyone was all intimidated by my intelligence! lol...
and its a Human Warrior on Shadow Council.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:33 am Post subject: |
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| gnosis wrote: | THE RULES
1. No threats.
I would argue that excessive language does absolutely nothing to contribute to intellectual discourse on this forum, or for civility for that matter, and could be construed as threatening.
I think that the out of control flame wars on this forum are a detriment to, rather than conducive to "free speech". |
Your statement is a contradiction in and of itself. The limitation of free speech in any capacity would render it's objective obsolete. You object to particular forms of expression (or the views of the poster expressing them), so you're trying to have this person banned and/or censored all in the name of being conducive to free speech? Yea...makes sense. You might try changing the parameters of your own perspective before trying to become everyone's moral agent by attempting to impose your guidelines on others. Or if you feel so threatened and offended by this person's use of foul language, then there is always that handy little tool called the ignore button.
You also might try backing up your argument by giving a valid reason as to why foul language should be considered a threat. That'd be a start...
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Well, I don't complain much but there is a severe case of potty mouth here. I work in construction so it does not bother me, but I come here to learn from you guys stuff I don't know, hell any idiot can cuss. I would like to see more innovative insults, stuff that make you stand back and go "ouch".
Fuck you,,,bah, my little nephew can say that.
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| ChrissyFos wrote: |
Your statement is a contradiction in and of itself. The limitation of free speech in any capacity would render it's objective obsolete. You object to particular forms of expression (or the views of the poster expressing them), so you're trying to have this person banned and/or censored all in the name of being conducive to free speech? Yea...makes sense. You might try changing the parameters of your own perspective before trying to become everyone's moral agent by attempting to impose your guidelines on others. Or if you feel so threatened and offended by this person's use of foul language, then there is always that handy little tool called the ignore button.
You also might try backing up your argument by giving a valid reason as to why foul language should be considered a threat. That'd be a start... |
Oh believe me, I've learned that the ignore button is necessary on this forum, but I honestly find that unfortunate. My reason that foul language could be considered a threat is the excessive use of it in a derogatory manner directed at a single party over, and over, and over.
Would you consider that valid?
| aitm wrote: | Well, I don't complain much but there is a severe case of potty mouth here. I work in construction so it does not bother me, but I come here to learn from you guys stuff I don't know, hell any idiot can cuss. I would like to see more innovative insults, stuff that make you stand back and go "ouch".
Fuck you,,,bah, my little nephew can say that. |
I don't disagree with this at all. I think innovative insults are entertaining and informative. I do agree however that the current insults being thrown around on this forum are neither entertaining nor informative.
This is not entirely about myself and a certain person who I will not mention as they are now on ignore. It is taking place between many other parties as well. There are a lot of interesting people and interesting ideas on this forum. I would hate to see the level of discourse lowered to the point that it turns people off from visiting the forum. I was near this point but I think I'm pretty much past it now, I've used the ignore button as recommended to solve my own personal issue. I still see it going on between parties I would rather not have to ignore as well, however. What's the point in a forum where you have to ignore a large number of forum goers to avoid such activity?
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| Quote: | | My reason that foul language could be considered a threat is the excessive use of it in a derogatory manner directed at a single party over, and over, and over. |
hm... I disagree. i gotta go with Chrissy on this. there is no threat in 'bad words'. trolling, yes... threatening? ehhh.. not seeing it.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:52 am Post subject: |
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| Moloth wrote: |
hm... I disagree. i gotta go with Chrissy on this. there is no threat in 'bad words'. trolling, yes... threatening? ehhh.. not seeing it. |
I consider constant vulgar verbal abuse threatening to me personally, but I suppose each person is different. I will respectfully disagree with you on this one Moloth.
I am not calling for anyone to be banned, I just would like to see the level of discourse brought to a more mature level on this forum. I thought I would ask the opinions of other forum goers on the matter. (minus ignored parties, of course. LOL!)
I will revise the definition to "excessive language directed in a derogatory manner at a single party", as that's a more accurate description of what I was getting at.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:58 am Post subject: |
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| gnosis wrote: | | ChrissyFos wrote: | Your statement is a contradiction in and of itself. The limitation of free speech in any capacity would render it's objective obsolete. You object to particular forms of expression (or the views of the poster expressing them), so you're trying to have this person banned and/or censored all in the name of being conducive to free speech? Yea...makes sense. You might try changing the parameters of your own perspective before trying to become everyone's moral agent by attempting to impose your guidelines on others. Or if you feel so threatened and offended by this person's use of foul language, then there is always that handy little tool called the ignore button.
You also might try backing up your argument by giving a valid reason as to why foul language should be considered a threat. That'd be a start... |
Oh believe me, I've learned that the ignore button is necessary on this forum, but I honestly find that unfortunate. My reason that foul language could be considered a threat is the excessive use of it in a derogatory manner directed at a single party over, and over, and over.
Would you consider that valid? |
Umm, no. You might try looking up the definition of threat.
Threat: An expression of an intention to inflict pain, injury, evil, or punishment.
You can't redefine a word in an attempt to bend the rules whenever it suits your agenda.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:59 am Post subject: Re: Excessive Language = Threatening |
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| gnosis wrote: | THE RULES
1. No threats.
I would argue that excessive language does absolutely nothing to contribute to intellectual discourse on this forum, or for civility for that matter, and could be construed as threatening.
I think that the out of control flame wars on this forum are a detriment to, rather than conducive to "free speech". |
I agree there are a lot of total pricks here and that it really brings down the level of discourse, but I do not think being a total prick means you are threatening anyone, and I would not support a policy that banned or otherwise disciplined people just for being assholes.
Think of it this way, gnosis, most of these dickheads are probably quite mousy in real life and act that way here because they know the internet is the only place they can be obnoxious assholes all the time and not (1) lose all their friends, (2) lose their jobs, (3) get the shit beaten out of them on a daily basis.
So you should feel sorry for them, because they are likely total pussies offline.
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