Libertarian Socialism

Gettin' In Tune · Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:44 pm Post subject:

To say the Civil War was CAUSED by the institution of slavery is a crock of shit. It was mainly caused by economic reasons.

The Northern States were primarily responsible for the importation of Southern slaves. The economy of North thrived off of the slave trade and rum running. New England, especially RI, was a hub for the international slave trade. Slavery was mostly a product of Northern merchants.

The North practiced slavery, but since it was the first to industrialize and was reaping the benefits of massive European immigration, they did not need to practice slavery. Almost every immigrant to the New World came to the North. The North had plenty of cheap labor to use in their textiles industries that were supplied with cheap cotton from the South.

The Civil War was fought over economic reasons; slaves and tariffs. Slavery was first seen as an economic issues, then a moral issue. Slavery was deeply embedded into the economic system. A 150 years later, we like to hide behind the mask of morality. Northerners do not like to admit that they instituted and profited off of slavery in the first place.

Lincoln needs to be taken off of his angelic pedestal. I think he is one of the worst presidents ever. He moved us away from a Constitutional Republic that this country was founded up to a democracy; away from the individual and towards socialism. The first time in this nation's history Federal rights trumped those of States' rights. He brought on an unnecessary war that turned out to be the most deadliest war in our nation's history. He suspended habeas corpus without the consent of Congress. He violated the Constitution. He economically crippled the South for decades. Guess how the Civil War was eventually financed? The implementation of the income tax.

Hiding behind the mask of morality will not change the fact, that primary cause of the war was economic. It was also an issue of State and Federal rights. The morality of slavery was also an issue, but not the main issue.

Knight_of_BAAWA · Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:23 pm Post subject:

gnosis · Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:42 pm Post subject:

OK, OK, I'm sorry I asked you if you were a republican Knight. But I have just one more question for you.

Are you black?
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aitm · Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:45 pm Post subject:

Knight_of_BAAWA · Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:55 pm Post subject:

gnosis · Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject:

I'm sorry that was a deliberate troll. LOL! Also I'll take down the pic of the KKK guys for the mods.. but hey that's the flag.

hillbillyatheist · Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:29 pm Post subject:

Knight_of_BAAWA · Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:37 pm Post subject:

gnosis · Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:56 pm Post subject:

Bah, who cares, finders keepers injuns! I have an idea, let's add to it!

But seriously though, as I said, manifest destiny is something that still needs to be addressed but it still can be at least by an existing (if semi-functioning) government.

Honestly though I could give a crap about Mount Rushmore. The more I think about it the more I realize it's actually a pretty heinous defacing of a beautiful landscape.

Knight_of_BAAWA · Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:24 pm Post subject:

gnosis · Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:37 pm Post subject:

Yep, something definitely needs to be done, don't know if you're aware but:

"More than 86 percent of rapes against Native American women are carried out by non-native men, most of them white, according to the Justice Department."

As of 2005 in the United States of America.

Don't ask the Justice Department to actually DO anything about it, they're too busy protecting their OWN people from prosecution...

Bush league justice for ya.

Knight_of_BAAWA · Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:55 pm Post subject:

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