Free Will and sundry

AisA · Visitor Joined: 11 Feb 2008 Posts: 1 Local time: 9:02 AM

I was raised to believe that god knows all; past, present and future. When I confronted my learned scholars with "Then how can we have a free will?" the best answer they could come up with was "Well, it's a mystery of faith!" Sorry people. You can't have it both ways. If this god knew [knows] the future then there can be no free will nor a hell, for that matter, if this god is, as you preach, all loving and merciful.

Raskolnikov · Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:27 pm Post subject:

Precisely. My Mormon friend says "God knows everything including the future he just doesnt mess with it cuz It's a test for us!"
"What's the point of the test if He knows where we're going anyway?"
"It's for us stupid!"
"You didn't answer the question."
"I did too!"

Sigh. Oh and welcome!
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aitm · Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:27 pm Post subject:

Welcome AisA, as you stroll through the various forums here you will find several that are already quite helpful in the topic you posted. I hope you enjoy yourself,, look our though, the natives bite.
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stickhorse · Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:34 pm Post subject:

theists drive me fucking insane with this one!

the most common response i get is:
"god's foreknowledge doesn't mean that we don't have a choice."

i swear you could explain it to 'em 1,000,000 different ways and they just won't get it.

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Raskolnikov · Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:40 pm Post subject:

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Mr_C · Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:48 pm Post subject:

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Moloth · Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:14 pm Post subject:

but, you have to CHOOSE to be redeemed... but, since you CHOSE something, you weren't a slave to begin with, now were you?
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Mr_C · Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:20 pm Post subject:

Moloth · Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:43 pm Post subject:

oh, i know enough about Calvinism.

i also know that it is a poor example of trying to apply logic to the illogical.
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Mr_C · Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:48 pm Post subject:

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