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Why monotheism is bigoted through& through imho

 
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:44 pm    Post subject: Why monotheism is bigoted through& through imho Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Abrahamic monotheism defines morality as obedience to (as scripture calls it) God, and it defines said God as the personification of values like love, truth and justice. This encourages the follower to look at everyone who doesn't believe this god exists to begin with, as if they're immoral or at least amoral. There's little denying this when one looks at a passage like Psalm 14, or the way the NT and the Quran reminds the reader over and over and over and over and etc. how the so-called unbeliever awaits a horrible fate, and that all was made so by a just ruler. I don't assume everyone who calls themselves a Christian or Muslim looks through such glasses, but their holy books do encourage them to do so. This is why abarahamic monotheism is bigoted.

Then there is the concept sin, and the noun derived from it... sinner. Sinner is a term from scrypture that: 1. applies exclusively to humans 2. applies to ALL humans 3. is not presented as a reccomendation but the contrary. So what we have here is a derogatory term for humans in general. Same as cracker is a derogatory word for humans with pale orange skin in particular, just like bitch is a derogatory word for female humans in particular, sinner is a derogatory word for humans in general. Monotheism has it's followers -in all earnest- referring to themselves by the very derogatory term it has assigned to them. So the monotheist is not just encouraged to be bigoted towards others... they're even encouraged to be bigoted towards themselves. That is why abrahamic monotheism -in all it's three main forms- is not just a bigoted ideology... it's bigoted through and through to my estimation.

If liberal believers manage to use such books as a source of inspiration, and actually manage to get something admirable out of it.... I applaud that. I just wish such people wouldn't pay lipservice to bigoted ideologies by calling themselves Judaist Christian or Muslim.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:29 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I take it that means there's nobody disagreeing with me sofar.
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Well, with cracker, bitch and sinner, you've pretty much covered all bases...
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 2:22 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

josephpalazzo wrote:
Well, with cracker, bitch and sinner, you've pretty much covered all bases...

To play Shash... er I mean devil's advocate myself then, I could say that the word sin also refers to (among others) theft and murder, so there's more to it then mere degredation of humans.

This however means that the sin/sinner tandem implies that being human in and of itself is as bad as murder. This is still bigoted and derogatory.

How is that for covering bases?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:10 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

This thread remains primarily a oneman-show. But this isn't because there wouldn't be anything to add.

I already covered bigotry towards other people, and bigotry towards oneself... but things are much worse than that.

The Bible goes out of its way to badmouth and belittle the whole of existence. This is implicitly done through the concept heaven, which (because it's presented as the better place) downgrades -without exageration- everything to inferiority by comparison. The supposed nessecity of miraculous intervention (in the form of a supernatural creator) also implicitly gives everything the status of imposibility which is just a diplomatic way of saying absurdity. Apart from that there are also biblical passages that explicitly encourage the reader to consider 'the worldly' to be unworthy.

Remove whatever sugarcoating the Bible might apply, and it basicly hopes to convince you that you need to be saved by Jesus, because everything and everyone sucks, yourself included.

Now that's not just bigotry... that's bigotry run amuck.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:36 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Isa.64:6
God thinks your good deeds are equivalent to used tampons. Praise the Lord!

The etymology of the word "sin":
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The Greek word hamartia (ἁμαρτία) is usually translated as sin in the New Testament. In Classical Greek, it means "to miss the mark"


The mark that they miss is the standard that God sets - because He is so Holy, no human could possibly reach His standards. Where the religion begins to get creepy is when God's followers assume that, even though they can't possibly be as holy as their God, their God wants them to strive for that sort of holiness, and becomes infinitely pissed off at you if you fall short, even once.

This is the disease. Naturally, God's followers were not so self-hating that they did not create a cure to their made-up disease. Jews follow the commandments. Christians accept Jesus as their savior. Muslims have their rituals & routines.

To reiterate, the fact that the term 'sinner' applies to all of humanity is a natural consequence of the standard that is set, which is God. The self-loathing stems from the assumption that God wants to burn anyone that isn't Him, or equal to him in Holiness. I wouldn't call it bigotry, as much as self-loathing.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:43 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

If I define bigotry as irrational loathing, I couldn't be far off the mark.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:54 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Jutter wrote:
If I define bigotry as irrational loathing, I couldn't be far off the mark.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:02 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

you could never convince the populace that they need saving if they consider themselves to be good people to begin with. All, (or most of them) religions throw people in the sewer and offer a way out if they follow the rules, (do doubt several handfuls of schekels as well). What kind of religion could you have if it started out with people being wonderful? If you don't feel guilty and in need of forgiveness, you will never fork over that 10 spot.
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