9/11 Debate - Pentagon (Peanut Gallery)

FlatEarth1024 · Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 4:21 pm Post subject:

I'm disappointed. I just reread the parameters and realized that Lumpy does not intend to prove any single particular Conspiracy Theory. That seemed to me to be the hook to this whole debate. Otherwise it pretty much just comes down to "A jet hit the Pentagon"..."No it didn't"...."Yes it did"...."No it didn't". Which is kind of lame. I wanted to see Lumpy put forth a 'solid', tangible alternative theory to what happened. I mean, you can poke holes in anything, even the truest of stories...but if you are going to allege that this was the plot of "Illusionists" and "Conspirators", then I would say heady accusations as these would require some clarification of just what the "truth" really is. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I don't see that forthcoming.
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Mr_C · Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 5:05 pm Post subject:

I'm still witholding judgement...
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BarkAtTheMoon · Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 5:30 pm Post subject:

BarkAtTheMoon · Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:22 am Post subject:

If anyone's still paying attention, I posted a response to lumpy's first post and am working on his second post.
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FlatEarth1024 · Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:09 am Post subject:

This is getting more one sided than Lil' Mike versus Glass Joe! On the pro side, you have mountains of data and evidence, not all of it complete and not all of it crystal clear to be sure, but mountains nevertheless. On the con side, you have what is quickly revealing it itself as little more than a pathologic paranoia against the United States government and a copy of Mulder's "I Want To Believe" poster hanging forlornly in a corner.

I'm almost becoming embarrassed for Lumpy. He's starting to come off like that guy in True Believer who kept claiming The Phone Company had Kennedy killed.
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Ivan_Ivanov · Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:06 pm Post subject:

Lumpy, since Bark wanted to reply to the rest of what you said in another post, maybe it would be a good idea to remove your last post until he does so.
Posting a such a long reply before he could catch his breath might be a bit disruptive for the structure of the debate.

...Unless Bark doesn't mind...
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BarkAtTheMoon · Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:24 pm Post subject:

Well, I already read it so whatever, I'll deal with it when I have time. Considering the first half of it or so was more or less one line knobish responses and insults without actually addressing the issue or supporting evidence, much of it barely deserves a response.
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caseagainstfaith · Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:33 pm Post subject:

I never noticed this debate before. I wasn't expecting to learn anything as I went reading it, but figured what the heck. And, I did learn a couple of things, like normal explosions don't create huge fireballs unless there is something to burn. Makes sense, just never thought about it. And I learned that there is a bigger fuel tank in the body of the plane (at least on the 757) than the tanks in the wings. I'm not sure exactly what use I will have for this information, but, interesting anyway.

As far as Lumpy, well, um, well... The idea that whoever concocted this plot would have thought, "hey, I'll need more exposive power than one plane can provide. I'll (send another plane) (pile up explosive material at the target site) (whatever)..." well, lacks, um, well...
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BarkAtTheMoon · Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:20 pm Post subject:

munky99999 · Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:46 pm Post subject:

Well I didn't really wanna start my own thread over this... but I think it's actually pretty neat. Now I figure this is on pentagon and the claim that the jetfuel wasnt burning hot enough to melt the beams... may never have been said... but perhaps someone will watch this video and drop this claim afterwards. As it's very convincing.

http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/139659/Purgatory_IronWorks_Response_to_911_Post.html
This guy is on the website posting a quick and easy how to guide for building your own forge. So if you are interested in that his videos are there.
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Bboyrican · Visitor Joined: 26 Nov 2007 Posts: 4 Local time: 10:47 PM

I cant believe Im on an Atheist site which involves intellectuals who demand evidence,logic,rational and are debating the Pentagon.. For one parts are on the ground just google it. Secondly the Vice President was in the building a good idea to have the vice President in a building thats gonna knowingly get hit. They just asked nicely if the hijacker can aim at the empty part of the building. I cant believe Atheist who I regard as somewhat rational and smart can believe these lame ass theories shame on you Ct believers take the same approach you would with God,Jesus etc please!

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