Omnipotence/The Rock Connundrum

Raskolnikov · Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:32 pm Post subject: Omnipotence/The Rock Connundrum

For the past two weeks I have been rereading the Bible (This will be the second time I have read it) and as I was finishing up the Book of Job and started chapter 42 I noticed this...

Job 42:1 - "Then Job answered the Lord and said:"
Job 42:2 - "I know that You can do anything, and that no purpose of Yours can be withheld from You."

I was always told that it doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that God can do anything, but Job clearly says it here and God does not correct him, so the all-famous rock connundrum still has ground.

"If God can do anything, can he make a rock so heavy that he himself can never lift?"

Also, I want people to understand what is meant by Mark 10:27 ("And Jesus said unto them: For men it is impossible, but not with God; for with God anything is possible."); I often see people misinterpret this verse, as most think that it defines God's power, this verse means only if the person is with God can they themselves make anything possible. Mark 10:27 shows the power one has when with God, but if we look at Judges 1:19 ("And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.") If Judah was with the Lord why could he not defeat the Chariots of Iron? According to Jesus if one is with God all things are possible.

Thoughts on this?
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Hit_me_up024 · Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:41 pm Post subject:

so the bible contradicted itself-i love it
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Raskolnikov · Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:45 pm Post subject:

Hit_me_up024 · Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:21 am Post subject:

i Like this but i noticed when they used some verses to expain the contradiction they used old and new testament verses in the same example.
These are very different books when it comes to how "god" would relate to humankind. I like it though dont get me wrong their were more legit contradictions than the few missinterpretted ones i found
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Raskolnikov · Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:36 am Post subject:

Hit_me_up024 · Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:00 pm Post subject:

Yeah the main one that stuck out to me was the god of war one. And your right there are many different bibles. i just dont think they should have left this arguement open for christians when writing it. The christian could say yeah but theyre two differnt books in which God,Jesus, and the holy spirit arose in between. I dont know thats something my mom would say though i know it.
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Mr_C · Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:11 pm Post subject:

Are you referring to this, Hit_me_up?

Raskolnikov · Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 3:11 pm Post subject:

Raskolnikov · Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 3:14 pm Post subject:

Hit_me_up024 · Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:20 pm Post subject:

not saying it would affect the contradiction, they just shouldnt have left any arguement for a christian to make.

and yes MR.C i do know what you mean by saying christians say the bible is produced by the same god i like that reply
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Raskolnikov · Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:38 pm Post subject:

howgoyoufar · Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:48 pm Post subject:

My roommate just said "Yeah, but about the rock thing, god would make a rock so heavy he couldn't lift it, THEN make himself more powerful so he could lift it"
This is so fucktarded i can't respond.
Thoughts?
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Raskolnikov · Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:52 pm Post subject:

howgoyoufar · Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:55 pm Post subject:

Okay sweet. +1.
By the way, my roommates a weak atheist too, so no worries on that one.
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SeaSalt Jones · Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:11 am Post subject:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotence_paradox

Personally, I find the rebuttals or resolving of the omnipotence paradox in general more agreeable. But I rarely enter God debates, nevertheless interesting at some times.

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