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Siderius
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 Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 1:30 pm Post subject: Piri Reis map |
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I stumbled upon this map, and started to read about it. There are many claims that it shows antarctica shoreline without the ice. But they also mention that it is 9000 years ago since antarctica was without ice. Prof. Charles H. Hapgood of Keene College claims that this shows that civilization did not start at 4000 BC but is far older, and that there was a worldwide civilization that was advanced compared to that time.
What I am looking for is reliable information about the autenticity of this map. And also maybe some critical study of it, I am not quite convinced that it actually shows antarctica but maybe something that is similar?
If it is real doesnt it show that civilization is older than 4000BC as is generaly accepted today? |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: Piri Reis map |
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| Siderius wrote: | I stumbled upon this map, and started to read about it. There are many claims that it shows antarctica shoreline without the ice. But they also mention that it is 9000 years ago since antarctica was without ice. Prof. Charles H. Hapgood of Keene College claims that this shows that civilization did not start at 4000 BC but is far older, and that there was a worldwide civilization that was advanced compared to that time.
What I am looking for is reliable information about the autenticity of this map. And also maybe some critical study of it, I am not quite convinced that it actually shows antarctica but maybe something that is similar?
If it is real doesnt it show that civilization is older than 4000BC as is generaly accepted today? |
A link would help.
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well, the Agricultural Revolution (humans settling) is thought to have begun soon after the end of the last Ice Age, about 15,000 years ago.
Humans HAVE had civilization longer than 6,000 years.
link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neolithic_Revolution
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Gerard
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 1:36 pm Post subject: antarctica |
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From what I've heard the map is authentic but the claim that is shows the shoreline of Antarctica without the ice in any remotely accurate way is nonsense. But hey, if Von Däniken writes that stuff, who's gonna actually check anyway?
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 1:49 pm Post subject: ah, found something |
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| Quote: | | Above is a map of South America and Antarctica with the Piri Reis coastline in magenta. Southern South America and Antarctica are in the orthographic projection - in other words they do look like they would as seen from space. We can see the Piri Reis Map bears no resemblance at all to Antarctica. The 600-mile wide Drake Passage is not shown, nor are the large islands in the Weddell Sea. The latitude is thousands of miles off. |
from:
http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/PiriRies.HTM
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Siderius
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I had planned on linking this in the opening post.
http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_1.htm
Sorry hehe
| Moloth wrote: | well, the Agricultural Revolution (humans settling) is thought to have begun soon after the end of the last Ice Age, about 15,000 years ago.
Humans HAVE had civilization longer than 6,000 years.
link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neolithic_Revolution
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Do you think this agricultural civilization could have made a map of south america africa and antarctica? |
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Siderius
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| Gerard wrote: | From what I've heard the map is authentic but the claim that is shows the shoreline of Antarctica without the ice in any remotely accurate way is nonsense. But hey, if Von Däniken writes that stuff, who's gonna actually check anyway?
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If it was Däniken who said it I would have disregarded it much much sooner, but the claims from people who 'should' be more reliable. |
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| Siderius wrote: | I had planned on linking this in the opening post.
http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_1.htm
Sorry hehe
| Moloth wrote: | well, the Agricultural Revolution (humans settling) is thought to have begun soon after the end of the last Ice Age, about 15,000 years ago.
Humans HAVE had civilization longer than 6,000 years.
link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neolithic_Revolution
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Do you think this agricultural civilization could have made a map of south america africa and antarctica? |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piri_Reis_Map
| Quote: | Antarctica
Scholars believe the resemblance of the coastline to the actual coast of Antarctica to be tenuous. For centuries before the actual discovery of Antarctica, cartographers had been depicting a massive southern landmass on global maps based on the theoretical assumption by Europeans that one must exist, if only to balance the landmass of the North. The landmass in question on the Piri Reis map would thus be simply a continuation of this tradition, with its debatable resemblance to the actual coastline being coincidental. It was widely believed that South America and, once its northern coastline was discovered, Australia, must be joined to this land mass, which was thought to be very much bigger than the real Antarctica. This theoretical southern continent, the Great Southern Land or Terra Australis Incognita (literally Unknown Southern Land), in various configurations, was usually shown on maps until the eighteenth century.
An alternate view is that the "Antarctic" coast is simply the eastern coastline of South America skewed to align east-west due to the inaccurate measurement of longtitude or to fit it on the page.[1] Close examination of the coastline supports this view, revealing depictions of the basins at the mouth of the Strait of Magellan and the Falkland Islands.[2] The annotations on the map itself, stating that this region is hot and inhabited by large snakes do not fit with the likely climate and fauna in Antarctica in the 1500s. Similarly the map states that "spring comes early" to the islands off the coast, which is true of the Falkland Islands but not of any islands close to the Antarctic mainland.
Hapgood suggests that the Antarctic section of the map was copied at an incorrect scale to the rest of the map and resulted in the distortion and enlargement of the continent on several ancient maps. This would explain why there is no waterway between South America and Antarctica. He suggests several points of continuity between the Piri Reis Map and modern maps of the continent below the ice caps. Since the Antarctic continent was not officially sighted until 1820 and its full coastline was not known until much later, this claim, if true, would require major revisions to the history of exploration.[3] |
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Thanks for posting that, Moloth. I did some reading on the subject before I opened this thread from a web site that also endorsed numerology, so a balanced, skeptical approach was like a breath of fresh air.
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