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Jane Austen Forum Plebian


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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:08 pm Post subject: How religious you are may be genetic |
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http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn7147.html _________________ JANE
I think that I shall never smell
a poem as pugnant as a hell
where grinning devils turn the screws
on Saintly Sikhs and Upright Jews
Giving them the holy scorcher,
timeless, transcendent torture
Poems can make you want to yell,
But only God can give you Hell.
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Moloth Fateless

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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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"Gullible" is genetic. *shrug* _________________ -=The Believer is Happy; the Skeptic is Wise=-
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baddogma antitheist

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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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Meh...I doubt it.
You'd think if it were genetic we would see 30% of the Chimps bowing to Mecca. _________________ Join http://www.sefora.org/
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Tormentor Royal Citizen


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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:11 pm Post subject: Re: How religious you are may be genetic |
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| This is incredibly unlikely. I say this based on my experience as an ex-jehovah's witness. I have seen so many fall short of being even 1% as religious as their parents, while others are extremely religious. Take me and my brother for example. My brother practically spent his entire teenaged life at my grand parent's house, and he became extremely Christian, while I on the other hand for the most part have 0% belief in god. |
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Jane Austen Forum Plebian


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Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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I thought it was an interesting idea  _________________ JANE
I think that I shall never smell
a poem as pugnant as a hell
where grinning devils turn the screws
on Saintly Sikhs and Upright Jews
Giving them the holy scorcher,
timeless, transcendent torture
Poems can make you want to yell,
But only God can give you Hell.
-Phillip Appleman |
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OrdinaryClay Royal Citizen

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JarrardC. Forum Plebian

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Ok so they proved how twins are genetically connected. But the never explained how religion is related to genes.
1: These twins share identical genes.
2: These twins were born into a religious home and are religious.
C: Therefore, religion is genetically inherited.
That's it?
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Okay. |
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baddogma antitheist

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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:07 am Post subject: |
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I think the "mind virus" explanation fits best.
If it were in your genes you could never convert.
That sorta fucks up the free will argument too.
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PJS

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These studies try to account for variation in traits between the groups involved. I do not believe any scientist at the University of Minnesota is arguing religiosity is only genetically determined, but that there is a genetic component. Personality traits are a combination of nature and nurture. At the University of Minnesota for many years identical twin studies have been conducted, including 56 sets of monozygotic(identical) twins separated and raised in different environments for all or most of their formative years. Bouchard was the lead researcher and he concluded that genes play a significant role in a long list of personality traits, including religiosity. Now, the question of how we go from the level of the gene to behavior or traits is still an open question. Brain structure seems most plausible as the connecting link. _________________ The path of least resistance and least trouble is a mental rut already made. It requires troublesome work to undertake the alternation of old beliefs.
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redraiderdude187 The Madcap Laugher

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| baddogma wrote: | I think the "mind virus" explanation fits best.
If it were in your genes you could never convert.
That sorta fucks up the free will argument too.
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Somewhere... John Calvin leaps for joy... _________________ Above the hive, beyond the lynch mob, where two and two always make four. |
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rickyroma Repressed hippy

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| Moloth wrote: | | "Gullible" is genetic. *shrug* |
I love how theists celebrated the "god gene" when this story first broke, not realising that the evidence actually suggests a genetic disposition towards guillibility. Ha! _________________ Theists wank too. |
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drix41 N3WB PWN3R

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If this were true you would have no free will...so ordinary clay...do you still think this is interesting?? _________________ “A thorough reading and understanding of the Bible is the surest path to atheism"
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josephpalazzo Illusion Master

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| PJS wrote: | | These studies try to account for variation in traits between the groups involved. I do not believe any scientist at the University of Minnesota is arguing religiosity is only genetically determined, but that there is a genetic component. Personality traits are a combination of nature and nurture. At the University of Minnesota for many years identical twin studies have been conducted, including 56 sets of monozygotic(identical) twins separated and raised in different environments for all or most of their formative years. Bouchard was the lead researcher and he concluded that genes play a significant role in a long list of personality traits, including religiosity. Now, the question of how we go from the level of the gene to behavior or traits is still an open question. Brain structure seems most plausible as the connecting link. |
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.
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Sal1981 Do you hear me now?

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Then I must be a mutant, because all my family, AFAIK, are religious, except me. _________________ "The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool" --- Richard P. Feynman
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PJS

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| Sal1981 wrote: | | Then I must be a mutant, because all my family, AFAIK, are religious, except me. |
You are unique genetically-unless you have an identical twin or a clone.
You have a unique history of experiences. _________________ The path of least resistance and least trouble is a mental rut already made. It requires troublesome work to undertake the alternation of old beliefs.
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