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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 6:51 pm Post subject:
hillbillyatheist wrote:
ugh on that title "There Is a God: How the World's Most Notorious Atheist Changed His Mind"
1. the fact that an atheist becomes a theist doesn't prove anything, any more than theists becoming atheists.
2. notorious? that word makes it sound like atheism is bad.
It strikes me how unbelievably desperate and dishonest some of the religious can be. Facts and objectivity just don't matter. It's all about winning at any cost.
Joined: 29 Jun 2004 Posts: 16072 Local time: 8:03 PM Location: Denver Colorado.
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 6:51 pm Post subject:
CET wrote:
hillbillyatheist wrote:
ugh on that title "There Is a God: How the World's Most Notorious Atheist Changed His Mind"
1. the fact that an atheist becomes a theist doesn't prove anything, any more than theists becoming atheists.
2. notorious? that word makes it sound like atheism is bad.
It makes it sound like he was an atheist with a "Richard Dawkins" or "Christopher Hitchens" stature.
yeah i know, and I never heard of the dude until he had de-converted.
but even if richard dawkins, hitchens, flemming, denette, George H smith, ellen johnson, and sam harris all suddenly converted to jesus in a mass one day revival, that still wouldn't prove jesus existed.
if a bunch of famous christians suddenly de-converted, I doubt christians would allow us to say "see you should be an atheist too.
I for one am not going to take on or reject beliefs just to be on the band wagon.
Joined: 29 Jun 2004 Posts: 16072 Local time: 8:03 PM Location: Denver Colorado.
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 6:54 pm Post subject:
Castaa wrote:
hillbillyatheist wrote:
ugh on that title "There Is a God: How the World's Most Notorious Atheist Changed His Mind"
1. the fact that an atheist becomes a theist doesn't prove anything, any more than theists becoming atheists.
2. notorious? that word makes it sound like atheism is bad.
It strikes me how unbelievably desperate and dishonest some of the religious can be. Facts and objectivity just don't matter. It's all about winning at any cost.
indeed. thats why when a two year old says "I love jesus" they are thrilled, but if an educated adult after much thought de-converts, they put outrageous burdens of knowledge on him. (do you know everything, do you know greek, have you been all over the universe, etc)
Joined: 13 Aug 2005 Posts: 3815 Local time: 11:03 AM Location: Cin City, OH!
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:18 pm Post subject:
I knew I'd heard of Bob Hostetler before. I read this for a Christian camp when I was 13:
I like the line on top, "Know what you believe and why." You'd think that if the belief were legit and not a mind virus communicated by family members, you wouldn't need a book to tell you "what you believe and why."
Edit: Okay, I had a class, but while the students were doing a handout, I finished reading both the Carrier thing and the NYT piece (printed 'em out), and it's quite clear that, as Dawkins stated at his now-legendary Lynchburg book reading, Flew is losing it. Dawkins is even quoted from that event in the NYT article.
Edit #2: Praise no gods! Recently, a great man joined the ranks of the Evil Atheist Conspiracy.
A great, great man that all of you are familiar with.
Our efforts have paid off big time, as, though we unfortnately lost Antony Flew, we gained this man:
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