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munky99999
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| Quote: | | *shrug* you're simply wrong. you can whine about it all you want, but it just makes you like a douchebag. |
I dont mind looking like a douchebag.
| Quote: | | 'art' is completely, utterly and ultimately subjective. |
ATI vs Nvidia completely, utterly, and ultimately is subjective also.
Doesn't mean you can pop in a 16 meg Nvidia RIVA_TNT and try to play Crysis or Assassins creed on your computer.
Hell I have a Riva TNT and Riva TNT2 in my basement as we speak.
The cards are pieces of shit compared to what else is available.
| Quote: | | you just sound a fucking moron by saying "WUT I LIKE IZ GUD AND WAT U LIKE IZ BAD ANST STUPIDD!!". |
Dont mind sounding like a moron but I explain why your garbage doesnt count as art.
| Quote: | | Beauty, as they say, is in the eye of the beholder. |
NEws flash. Not safe for stomachs
Nobody subjectively can find that beautiful. The metaphor is false. It is made up by ugly people for their self-esteem.
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To not see art in color and form is a deficiency, not of the art, but of the viewer. |
Again no you're wrong. Unless you concede the fact that you are making the definition of art so fucking generic that the term art is actually absolutely meaningless then.
AGAIN!
Look at the COLOUR. Nice straw brown. With shadows and and the grey background of the ground. And the form. Absolutely unique. You can find soooo many other horseshit piles and you wont find similar form anywhere else. Absolutely beautiful.
To not see ART in the colour and form of that horseshit is a deficiency, not of the art, but of the viewer.
Do you agree that picture of horseshit is art? To be clear... you are forced to concede that; if you want your stupid deficiency sentence to go passed.
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Jutter
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| munky99999 wrote: | Honestly... if I gave you paint and a canvas... you couldn't paint this?
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If I gave you a bunch of old Campbell soupcans you could copy Andy Warholl. Big deal. Simplicity or reproducability do not make a thing bad.
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Hit_me_up024
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the first one is now my background thanks moloth
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munky99999
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| Jutter wrote: | | munky99999 wrote: | Honestly... if I gave you paint and a canvas... you couldn't paint this?
[img]http://www.abstract-art.com/abstraction/l2_Grnfthrs_fldr/g0000_gr_inf_images/img] |
If I gave you a bunch of old Campbell soupcans you could copy Andy Warholl. Big deal. Simplicity or reproducability do not make a thing bad. |
I certainly couldn't reproduce the campbell soupcans. Certainly not simplicity. So your example is quite false. Even then they arent THAT great. Certainly above satisfactory.
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Hit_me_up024
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i hate art like that. you should stop posting it. abstract art is not art even a munky with down syndrome could paint that
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Moloth
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| munky99999 wrote: | | Quote: | | *shrug* you're simply wrong. you can whine about it all you want, but it just makes you like a douchebag. |
I dont mind looking like a douchebag.
| Quote: | | 'art' is completely, utterly and ultimately subjective. |
ATI vs Nvidia completely, utterly, and ultimately is subjective also.
Doesn't mean you can pop in a 16 meg Nvidia RIVA_TNT and try to play Crysis or Assassins creed on your computer.
Hell I have a Riva TNT and Riva TNT2 in my basement as we speak.
The cards are pieces of shit compared to what else is available.
| Quote: | | you just sound a fucking moron by saying "WUT I LIKE IZ GUD AND WAT U LIKE IZ BAD ANST STUPIDD!!". |
Dont mind sounding like a moron but I explain why your garbage doesnt count as art.
| Quote: | | Beauty, as they say, is in the eye of the beholder. |
NEws flash. Not safe for stomachs
Nobody subjectively can find that beautiful. The metaphor is false. It is made up by ugly people for their self-esteem.
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To not see art in color and form is a deficiency, not of the art, but of the viewer. |
Again no you're wrong. Unless you concede the fact that you are making the definition of art so fucking generic that the term art is actually absolutely meaningless then.
AGAIN!
Look at the COLOUR. Nice straw brown. With shadows and and the grey background of the ground. And the form. Absolutely unique. You can find soooo many other horseshit piles and you wont find similar form anywhere else. Absolutely beautiful.
To not see ART in the colour and form of that horseshit is a deficiency, not of the art, but of the viewer.
Do you agree that picture of horseshit is art? To be clear... you are forced to concede that; if you want your stupid deficiency sentence to go passed. |
1. we all know you don;t mind looking like a douchebag. its one of your defining characteristics on this forum. its all for the lulz, we know, we know.
2. "ATI vs Nvidia completely, utterly, and ultimately is subjective also. " nope. very wrong. they are physically and utilitarily different. there are objective differences between two computer video cards. art is purely subjective.
3. its not MY garbage and you have yet to define what 'art' is satisfactorily.
4. "Nobody subjectively can find that beautiful. The metaphor is false. It is made up by ugly people for their self-esteem. "
i think the colors are very nice. it artistically shows both the vulnerability and horrible fecundity of life. again, you are wrong.
5. "Unless you concede the fact that you are making the definition of art so fucking generic that the term art is actually absolutely meaningless then."
not meaningless... just meaning that is dependent on the artist and beholder, that is: subjective.
6. "Look at the COLOUR. Nice straw brown. With shadows and and the grey background of the ground. And the form. Absolutely unique. You can find soooo many other horseshit piles and you wont find similar form anywhere else. Absolutely beautiful. " You almost had it... and then you FAILED.
art is not necessarily intended to be 'beautiful'. if you think it IS, then that is one of the ways your view of art is deficient.
7. "Do you agree that picture of horseshit is art? To be clear... you are forced to concede that; if you want your stupid deficiency sentence to go passed."
if that picture of horseshit is intended as art and, if anyone takes it as art,.. then it IS art. very simple. even a lulz-seeking, intentionally douchebaggy, and contrarian Munky should be able to comprehend that.
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kmisho
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| Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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Honestly... if I gave you paint and a canvas... you couldn't paint this?
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First of all, the question of whether I have the ability to duplicate someone else's work is not relevant. That you think this is relevant tells me a lot about why you are so wrong on this issue.
| Quote: | | I'm really sure my dog scooter could paint that better. Infact it's raining outside and he tried to paint that today using his paws and mud on the floor. I should have taken a picture. It actually looked better then this piece of shit abstract mess of paint. |
Your dog could paint better in what way? Does he have a sense of color coordination? A techinique? No, your dog could not do better.
| Quote: | | Fuck I seriously doubt a PERSON actually painted that shitty painting ON PURPOSE. Seriously I've kindergarten kids paint through and off their canvas and such to make that very similar look. |
There is artistic, cultural, psychological and philsoophical merit in deliberately emulating the naive art of children, so I fail to see your point.
| Quote: | | I'm just really glad this Rothko is dead. That way I don't have to be bothered in ruining his life by siezing his assets... hell he only got acknowledgment because the military draft in WW2 and such eliminated all the good artists and left this horseshit talentless scammer. I'm really glad he commited suicide. Infact I think the government should track down where his money and assets went and seize them all. Fraud is a crime afterall. |
Pure nonsense, and you know it. I should've known better than to attemtp to gainsay your prejudice...
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kmisho
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| Hit_me_up024 wrote: | | i hate art like that. you should stop posting it. abstract art is not art even a munky with down syndrome could paint that |
Your dogmatic ignorance is unbecoming.
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Now this religion happens to prevail/Until by that one it is overthrown/Because men dare not live with men alone/But always with another fairy tale.
al-Ma'arri, Syrian Poet, died 1057
You deny the existence of 999 alleged Gods. I merely deny one more - yours.
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munky99999
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| Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | First of all, the question of whether I have the ability to duplicate someone else's work is not relevant. That you think this is relevant tells me a lot about why you are so wrong on this issue. |
Actually it does. This is true for virtually all things. I cannot value something which is very easy to replicate myself. For example you cannot sell snow or ice to eskimos.
| Quote: | | Your dog could paint better in what way? Does he have a sense of color coordination? A techinique? No, your dog could not do better. |
What a blanket statement to which you hold no evidence to back up.
| Quote: | | There is artistic, cultural, psychological and philsoophical merit in deliberately emulating the naive art of children, so I fail to see your point. |
yes the merit of masking the inadequacy of the artists lack of skill and capabilities. That's it.
| Quote: | | Pure nonsense, and you know it. I should've known better than to attemtp to gainsay your prejudice... |
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Prejudice? hahahaahaa what am I prejudging... im not prejudging anything. I am judging the pictures. Which is entirely legitimate.
Boy do you ever hate anyone judging or criticizing art. You even personally attack.
Very interesting because I see this same attitude come from other subjects. Hell they even say the same things... that atheists are militant and prejudice. How dare atheist criticize something they arent apart of... why dont you criticize something else...
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Hit_me_up024
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| kmisho wrote: | | Hit_me_up024 wrote: | | i hate art like that. you should stop posting it. abstract art is not art even a munky with down syndrome could paint that |
Your dogmatic ignorance is unbecoming. |
im ignorant because i dont like abstract art? i believe that you are the ignorant one
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Gettin' In Tune
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I have to side with Munkey on this one. Some art is too subjective, such as Counter-Composition XIII
It is debatable whether this belongs on the walls of the Guggenheim since it is nothing but an arrangement of triangles. The colors may be pretty and the arrangement of the triangles may stir people into tears, but it could be easily replicated OR created by a toddler. |
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munky99999
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| Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Gettin' In Tune wrote: | I have to side with Munkey on this one. Some art is too subjective, such as Counter-Composition XIII
It is debatable whether this belongs on the walls of the Guggenheim since it is nothing but an arrangement of triangles. The colors may be pretty and the arrangement of the triangles may stir people into tears, but it could be easily replicated OR created by a toddler. |
That wouldnt make a bad kitchen or bathroom floor tile. It's certainly not art otherwise.
Again something I could paint in a very short period of time which significantly high quality. Why should I pay or give credit to such a painting?
MAYBE I would pay for the costs such as the cost of the canvas and paints and pay minimum wage to a painter roughly to calculate the value of the painting. I certainly cant see paying anything above that... again that's pretty much how floor tiles work also. You pay for the costs of the tile and perhaps some overhead for profit. I really doubt anyone is paying 10,000% overhead for the EXACT SAME tiles. Because they are subjectively good looking.
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kmisho
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| Hit_me_up024 wrote: | | kmisho wrote: | | Hit_me_up024 wrote: | | i hate art like that. you should stop posting it. abstract art is not art even a munky with down syndrome could paint that |
Your dogmatic ignorance is unbecoming. |
im ignorant because i dont like abstract art? i believe that you are the ignorant one |
Not this again...
I am not responding at all to you not liking abstract art. I object to your implication that no one can or should like or do it or enjoy it.
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Now this religion happens to prevail/Until by that one it is overthrown/Because men dare not live with men alone/But always with another fairy tale.
al-Ma'arri, Syrian Poet, died 1057
You deny the existence of 999 alleged Gods. I merely deny one more - yours.
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Moloth
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| kmisho wrote: | | Hit_me_up024 wrote: | | kmisho wrote: | | Hit_me_up024 wrote: | | i hate art like that. you should stop posting it. abstract art is not art even a munky with down syndrome could paint that |
Your dogmatic ignorance is unbecoming. |
im ignorant because i dont like abstract art? i believe that you are the ignorant one |
Not this again...
I am not responding at all to you not liking abstract art. I object to your implication that no one can or should like or do it or enjoy it. |
precisely.
i don't care if someone says that they don't like something... i care if they make the fallacious statement that something is not art, simply because THEY don't like it.
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kmisho
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| Gettin' In Tune wrote: | I have to side with Munkey on this one. Some art is too subjective, such as Counter-Composition XIII
It is debatable whether this belongs on the walls of the Guggenheim since it is nothing but an arrangement of triangles. The colors may be pretty and the arrangement of the triangles may stir people into tears, but it could be easily replicated OR created by a toddler. |
There are genuine problems in the art world that are far from being resolved. Dadism/conceptualism led to a major crisis after WW1. But this is a far cry from automatically panning non-illusionary art (normally called Realism).
No one should get the idea that I think it's good just because it's abstract. I merely argue that abstraction can be as good as illusionary art.
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Now this religion happens to prevail/Until by that one it is overthrown/Because men dare not live with men alone/But always with another fairy tale.
al-Ma'arri, Syrian Poet, died 1057
You deny the existence of 999 alleged Gods. I merely deny one more - yours.
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