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Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 5:03 pm Post subject:
monkeybyte wrote:
I'm feeling munky's sarcasm here.
Okay, so we like trash art better than famous highbrow stuff.
We're uncultured, knuckle dragging booger rollers, I accept and embrace this fact.
lol actually not sarcasm at all. I really do mean what I said. Redraider's really is shit. _________________ A cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his fleshand drink his blood; while telepathically tell him you accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
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Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 5:45 pm Post subject:
munky99999 wrote:
monkeybyte wrote:
I'm feeling munky's sarcasm here.
Okay, so we like trash art better than famous highbrow stuff.
We're uncultured, knuckle dragging booger rollers, I accept and embrace this fact.
lol actually not sarcasm at all. I really do mean what I said. Redraider's really is shit.
Well, I'm not going to target Redraider, but I do agree that some people's idea of high art escapes me. I see some real shit that people cry out "Masterpiece!" and think to myself...If you passed a bowel movement that looked like that, the surgeon would give you six months to live, but fling it onto a canvas and feminine French guys are writing dreamy poetry about it. _________________
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Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 6:06 pm Post subject:
Aw, c'mon, Ducamp, Monet and Hopper?
I can see some apprehension towards Rothko, even seeing the thing in it's real life dimensions (it's freakin' huge).
I don't get much out of him myself, beyong the warm fuzzy feelings I might get in an orange painted, soft lit room. _________________ "Setting people on fire is wrong." -Todd "Squee" Casil.
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Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 6:38 pm Post subject:
monkeybyte wrote:
Aw, c'mon, Ducamp, Monet and Hopper?
I have no idea what ur talking about lol. Post pix!
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I can see some apprehension towards Rothko, even seeing the thing in it's real life dimensions (it's freakin' huge).
That's what killed me on the mona lisa. If it were huge... then great... but its small. Its a piece of shit being so small.
Good art depicts something. It takes skill to do it. No amateur could ever replicate it properly.
Take redraider's first pic: Rothko, Red, Orange, Tan, and Purple
A retarded child could replicate that EASILY. It doesnt depict anything.
how about the second one... Duchamp- Nude Descending Stairs
That isnt stairs. stairs are very typically nude and they always descend or ascend by definition. So the name is pure horseshit.. which does say much but when you go to the actual picture... it doesnt depict anything. Perhaps if I had a lazy eye and lots of brain damage it might look good.
Monet- La Grenouillére
Ok this one isnt so bad... but its tiny and is shitty oil paints. I could take a picture with my digital camera and it would take me hours of destroying the quality of the picture to drop it to that kind of quality.
Bob Ross for example does paintings of such higher quality in much larger sizes.
Hopper- Nighthawks
Starting to make it to around satisfactory. Certainly not something extraordinary. Thusly still not worthy of any praise.
As an amateur it would very easily replicate that photo... if not make it better... not to mention this happens very frequently. _________________ A cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his fleshand drink his blood; while telepathically tell him you accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
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Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 7:18 pm Post subject:
So your definition of "good" art is how close the art represents physical reality?
Calling that a narrow view is an extreme understatement.
Oh and just to educate you, Rothko's paintings aren't supposed to represent anything objectively; the entire point of his paintings is eliciting a subjective feeling. That's what Abstract Expressionism was/is all about.
In Nude Descending a Staircase Duchamp meant to capture motion in the painting similar to stroboscopic motion in a camera. If you look at the painting with this in mind, you can clearly see a nude woman walking down a staircase. Futurist art was all about capturing the speed and motion of objects, and for a time, Duchamp really got into the earliest derivatives of Futurism.
La Grenouillére is a principle work of Impressionism, which yet again, did not attempt to capture reality how it is, but how we perceive it and how light changes landscapes. The point of this painting was capturing the subjective emotion of viewing something rather than just depicting an image. That's why some people's faces are blurred out and some parts of the painting can be seen more sharply.
The last painting by Hopper, Nighthawks, was one of a series of paintings Hopper painted to illustrate how human beings living in cities may be surrounded by many people, but they are truly alone at heart. Notice in the painting how 4 people sit at a bar, yet none of them acknowledge each other or have any sort of emotion on their face; they just sit and stare blankly. That was Hopper's purpose in his painting, the isolation of a city-liver even though he/she is surrounded by people in well-lit places.
So before you condemn a few masterpieces for a few simple points that are nearly irrelevant to the work, keep an open mind, and maybe you might actually enjoy them.
And to keep from totally derailing this thread...
The Birth of Venus- Boticelli
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Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 7:27 pm Post subject:
Give me a photograph over a painting any day. These might not have been intended as art but they're far more emotive and touching than any painting I've ever seen:
Eddie Adams
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Robert Capa, the effect came about after a dark room technician made a mistake and most of Capa's d-day images were destroyed.
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I believe Neil Armstrong took the image.
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Steve McCurry
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Edit: Nude Descending a Staircase is a horrible painting in my opinion as it's just a mass of lines and doesn't actually incite any emotion it's simply a barely distinguishable nude woman walking down some stairs. So meh.
La Grenouillére ain't too bad, but yet again it doesn't really stir any feelings, it's simply something moderately pleasing to look at for a few seconds.
And Nighthawks is just plain boring.
Birth of Venus doesn't do anything for me either.
But that's the good thing about art, every one has their opinion on it. It can stir passion and debate. _________________ "God doesn't have a limp" House
im looking for this picture.. its an abstract painting in a desolate desert.. there is a giant shrub looking thing that is big on one side and small on the other. its kinda depressing. someone has to know what im talking about
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Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 7:58 pm Post subject:
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So your definition of "good" art is how close the art represents physical reality?
First of all I never said that. It would also be in complete contradiction with my first post saying that all the other art is good. Which is all basically violate physical reality. So I cant see how you could ever come to that conclusion give the facts in evidence of my opinion.
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Calling that a narrow view is an extreme understatement.
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Oh and just to educate you, Rothko's paintings aren't supposed to represent anything objectively; the entire point of his paintings is eliciting a subjective feeling. That's what Abstract Expressionism was/is all about.
Oh and just to educate you. Retarded amputees kicking paint buckets over onto a canvas can make the same art. So that means that isnt art. Abstract Expressionism is just a mess. You clean up messes or in this case throw the art out in the garbage. That's what they are worth.
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In Nude Descending a Staircase Duchamp meant to capture motion in the painting similar to stroboscopic motion in a camera.
It was meant to capture the essential of the build blocks and nature of life. It represents that we are all alike we all bleed red and excrete shit in smelly form.'
Oh right it's just horseshit; it doesnt matter what you say about it. If it's horseshit you cant make it something more then just horseshit.
PS forgive me on the description. I'm not some pansy piece of shit art fag with extensive skill in describing horseshit as something better then it is.
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If you look at the painting with this in mind, you can clearly see a nude woman walking down a staircase. Futurist art was all about capturing the speed and motion of objects, and for a time, Duchamp really got into the earliest derivatives of Futurism.
No I'm actually quite impressed at lots of futurist art. Especially that art which represents what today is supposed to look like. They look quite good.
For example.
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This person has no skill at painting or anything of art. Called it abstract because he isnt capable of doing good art. Which takes skill. He sold it by selling it to weak minds of other pathetic art fags.
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La Grenouillére is a principle work of Impressionism, which yet again, did not attempt to capture reality how it is, but how we perceive it and how light changes landscapes.
Wanna know how I preceive reality. Let me take out my digital camera and I'll take the pic.
Impressionism is again only artists without the skill to paint properly who are pathetic human beings who refused to work like a normal person. So they scammed their way into acting like their inadequacy in art is somehow some sort of a good thing.
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The point of this painting was capturing the subjective emotion of viewing something rather than just depicting an image. That's why some people's faces are blurred out and some parts of the painting can be seen more sharply.
Unless these people get neurologically examined and proven to have synesthesia. I have absolutely no interest in any of that bullshit. The problem being that money and such are all dead and not going to be scanned. Thusly their art can be tossed on the campfire because that's what it's worth.
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The last painting by Hopper, Nighthawks, was one of a series of paintings Hopper painted to illustrate how human beings living in cities may be surrounded by many people, but they are truly alone at heart. Notice in the painting how 4 people sit at a bar, yet none of them acknowledge each other or have any sort of emotion on their face; they just sit and stare blankly.
Again as I said... the painting is satisfactory because the relationship between detached urban night life and the relation to WW2 and such. It still doesn't mean the art should be given much credit at all. Sure I support preserving this art. It certainly isn't something to value though; infact I would value this painting just about as much as Stephen Colbert's portrait of his portrait. Hanging this Nighthawks portrait up in a bathroom of some museum is fine.
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That was Hopper's purpose in his painting, the isolation of a city-liver even though he/she is surrounded by people in well-lit places.
actually no. It was more meant for nightlife. Even then it's not all that accurate.
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So before you condemn a few masterpieces for a few simple points that are nearly irrelevant to the work, keep an open mind, and maybe you might actually enjoy them.
PFFFF HAHAHAHAHA masterpiece... how do you define masterpiece... if those are masterpieces.. you have such low standards that basically ALL art on earth are masterpieces. _________________ A cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his fleshand drink his blood; while telepathically tell him you accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
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Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 8:00 pm Post subject:
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Give me a photograph over a painting any day. These might not have been intended as art but they're far more emotive and touching than any painting I've ever seen:
Actually most of those are indeed intended as such.
Generally photographs are so significantly better then paintings but I wont discount paintings... and there are many photographs which are bad. _________________ A cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his fleshand drink his blood; while telepathically tell him you accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
Creationism is not the alternative to Evolution - ignorance is." Ironically creationism is ignorance.
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Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 8:00 pm Post subject:
MindControl66 wrote:
im looking for this picture.. its an abstract painting in a desolate desert.. there is a giant shrub looking thing that is big on one side and small on the other. its kinda depressing. someone has to know what im talking about
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Perhaps? _________________ A cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his fleshand drink his blood; while telepathically tell him you accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
Creationism is not the alternative to Evolution - ignorance is." Ironically creationism is ignorance.
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Okay, so we like trash art better than famous highbrow stuff.
