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| The bump was good. I missed the clematis. Beautiful. |
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A peaceful pond shot:
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Buck, that is awesome. It almost looks like a painting it is so full of beautiful color. It's been years since I looked at all of your pix but I recall seeing some that were so good that I told you at that time you could sell them.
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Rocks, water, sunset, bridge lights...
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damn, Buck... your colors are so vibrant that i can almost TASTE them...O_o
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Shiranu
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This purple tastes like a red.......woah....
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| Moloth wrote: | | damn, Buck... your colors are so vibrant that i can almost TASTE them...O_o |
Yeah, I really like to push them quite far, and really enjoy that with digital I have total control of the darkroom process to do that kind of thing.
Back in my film days, I jumped all over Velvia Film when it came out, but had to take it to better (more expensive) photo labs for processing to print in order to get the rich colors and balance I wanted.
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| Buckster wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | | damn, Buck... your colors are so vibrant that i can almost TASTE them...O_o |
Yeah, I really like to push them quite far, and really enjoy that with digital I have total control of the darkroom process to do that kind of thing.
Back in my film days, I jumped all over Velvia Film when it came out, but had to take it to better (more expensive) photo labs for processing to print in order to get the rich colors and balance I wanted. |
how do you feel about HDR digital photography?
i think that it can make strangely beautiful images, but i wonder if its 'pure' photography...
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pr126
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Hi Buckster, talking about velvia, have a look at this .
I found it quite nice. I bought it, but after rebuilding my PC I lost it.
Nice photos BTW.
P.S. Got Lightroom 2.0 Bloody good!
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As a painter, I can really admire Buck's last 2 pics. The pond landscape has a truly impressionist feel. I particularly like the water with its array of colors. The way the blue-green fades into the violet (nearly complimentary colors) is delicious. Then this fades into bright cool white hidden behind the nearer leaves, drawing the eye to the center of the design. Truly great.
The second painting reminds me of the problem of integrating human artifacts in landscapes. This picture solves the problem by implying the existence of a bridge without actually showing it. The murky water probably also prints at human influence.
There actually is a painter who paints the way the first photo looks, named Joseph Raffael. Here's one example from Raffael's zoom viewer site:
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| Moloth wrote: | | Buckster wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | | damn, Buck... your colors are so vibrant that i can almost TASTE them...O_o |
Yeah, I really like to push them quite far, and really enjoy that with digital I have total control of the darkroom process to do that kind of thing.
Back in my film days, I jumped all over Velvia Film when it came out, but had to take it to better (more expensive) photo labs for processing to print in order to get the rich colors and balance I wanted. |
how do you feel about HDR digital photography?
i think that it can make strangely beautiful images, but i wonder if its 'pure' photography... |
I like it as a tool, though I've seen it over-used for my personal taste (to each his own). I've been experimenting with it on and off for a couple of years now, and I think I get some good results (as well as some bad ones) here and there.
One of the problems with capturing 'reality' with a camera is that no matter what camera, film, digital chip, filters or whatever you use, it has the ability to produce nowhere near the color and light response human eyes do, so it can never do the scene true justice. For example, on a bright sunny day or a dimly lit room, our eyes can almost always still see every detail in the lightest and darkest areas of the scene before us simultaneously, once adjusted to the lighting conditions. Not so in photography, where the detail will often be lost in the darkest areas when adjusted for proper exposure of the lightest ones, and vice-versa.
HDR attempts to better solve this by combining both (or more) exposures (light and dark) to result in something that shows details in both, more like our eyes naturally do. When done well, the result is wonderful, natural, and doesn't look at all like most of the stuff out there called "HDR". In fact, you'd never think "HDR" when viewing it. When pushed beyond the natural however, it starts to look a bit cartoony in the effect and, pushed even further, eventually looks downright ridiculous (IMHO).
In the end, I think of it as just another tool in the photography process, which leads into the next question...
As for whether it's 'pure' photography, in my mind there's really no such thing, or we should consider anything that starts out as an image made by a light-tight light-capturing box 'pure', regardless of the end result, and here's my reasoning:
The thing is, right off the bat, photographers start manipulating the scene with aperture, shutter speed, ISO, filters and film type choices, even where to position for the shot to include or exclude elements of the scene, among the most basic things (there are more). Then, in the processing, one manipulates the negative in various ways to push or pull contrast, color and so on. On to the printing, there's more of that, plus dodging, burning, more filtering and other manipulative techniques that include masking, layering, painting, warping and so on. Even after the print is produced, there is often additional painting, marking, and so forth.
And all of that is 'old school' that goes back to the very early, pioneering days of photography. Most of the stuff in Photoshop was designed to mimic techniques developed in wet darkrooms over the entire history of photography by professional photographers and studios, even adopting the old darkroom names to keep it all familiar and relevant. Even if you just point and shoot with a disposable camera and take it to Walmart for processing, the machine there does a lot of that stuff internally as part of it's program to try to make good prints from whatever is thrown at it in a semi-automated process. Point and shoot digital cameras do much the same thing with programming built into the processing chip, which interprets what it *thinks* is proper white balance, contrast, color, sharpening and so forth, then renders it's version of what was shot.
HDR, at it's core, is really just another one of the masking and filtering processes done in darkrooms for years, but done much easier, faster, with FAR more detail and more efficiently by the power of computers.
As have many photographers, Ansel Adams wrote lots of books on the subject of photography, including "The Camera", "The Negative" and "The Print". In those, he goes into quite a bit of detail on those manipulative methods at each stage of the photographic process, and regarded each as important to manipulate in order to get the most compelling photos. The idea that one should just point a camera, shoot and print whatever it captured was never even a consideration. Every famous and accomplished photographer has essentially said the same thing; that they're not trying to capture 'reality', which is impossible anyway. Rather, they are trying to capture the 'essence' of reality, and trying to convey to the viewer an emotional response that pushes the brain to go beyond the simple two-dimensional image presented to them.
I tend to agree with that philosophy and the artistic freedom it unleashes.
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| pr126 wrote: | Hi Buckster, talking about velvia, have a look at this .
I found it quite nice. I bought it, but after rebuilding my PC I lost it.
Nice photos BTW.
P.S. Got Lightroom 2.0 Bloody good! |
Thanks! That Velvia plugin looks like just the sort of thing I could have a lot of fun with. I'll probably just have to get it!
Yeah, I got Lightroom 2 also a couple weeks ago and really like it a lot. I picked it up when I pre-ordered PS CS4, which I believe should be ready for download tomorrow (and I can hardly wait!). 
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pr126
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Yes, I think I will get CS4 as well, although here in the UK the price is almost double.  We always get screwed.
The Velvia plugin is good, worth the $25.00 You will like it.
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