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baddogma
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OOOH like GOD! got it!
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| Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:09 am Post subject: |
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| baddogma wrote: | | OOOH like GOD! got it! |
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RyanDzundza
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 9:13 am Post subject: |
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| caseagainstfaith wrote: | | I have certainly heard this before, and it is a popular theme in Star Trek and other SciFi. And, given that I just barely finished my physics requirements I'm certainly in no position to make any sort of authoritative response. All I can say is, it doesn't make sense to me. For what I am doing now, this second, is because of what I did in previous seconds. Like there was an example of a guy on a motorcycle getting hit in one universe, but not in another. If you had two universes, everything the same up to that moment, like the positions and velocities of the car and the motorcyle, how could he be hit in one and not in the other? It doesn't make sense to me. |
the fact that in one universe the guy on the motorcycle gets and in the other he doesnt isnt the change of the universe it would be the effect of a change made (cause and effect)
e.g. he may think he has left the oven on at home, in one universe he decides to go check and as he turns around he gets hit, in the other he decides not to check and carries on in his journey, this could also happend vice versa
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baddogma
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| RyanDzundza wrote: | | caseagainstfaith wrote: | | I have certainly heard this before, and it is a popular theme in Star Trek and other SciFi. And, given that I just barely finished my physics requirements I'm certainly in no position to make any sort of authoritative response. All I can say is, it doesn't make sense to me. For what I am doing now, this second, is because of what I did in previous seconds. Like there was an example of a guy on a motorcycle getting hit in one universe, but not in another. If you had two universes, everything the same up to that moment, like the positions and velocities of the car and the motorcyle, how could he be hit in one and not in the other? It doesn't make sense to me. |
the fact that in one universe the guy on the motorcycle gets and in the other he doesnt isnt the change of the universe it would be the effect of a change made (cause and effect)
e.g. he may think he has left the oven on at home, in one universe he decides to go check and as he turns around he gets hit, in the other he decides not to check and carries on in his journey, this could also happend vice versa |
OOOH even different THOUGHTS would have infinate outcomes!
Even if no action was taken.
Still reeeks of bullshit to me.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:12 am Post subject: |
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| CET wrote: | | Mr_C wrote: | | CET wrote: | | Mr_C wrote: | | I was going to post in this thread, but then I didn't. |
You ARE Schroedinger's cat!   |
I was hoping somebody would catch that.  |
I thought I was in a super position, so I checked. It turned out that I wasn't. |
You just had to observe didn't you? |
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| baddogma wrote: | | RyanDzundza wrote: | | caseagainstfaith wrote: | | I have certainly heard this before, and it is a popular theme in Star Trek and other SciFi. And, given that I just barely finished my physics requirements I'm certainly in no position to make any sort of authoritative response. All I can say is, it doesn't make sense to me. For what I am doing now, this second, is because of what I did in previous seconds. Like there was an example of a guy on a motorcycle getting hit in one universe, but not in another. If you had two universes, everything the same up to that moment, like the positions and velocities of the car and the motorcyle, how could he be hit in one and not in the other? It doesn't make sense to me. |
the fact that in one universe the guy on the motorcycle gets and in the other he doesnt isnt the change of the universe it would be the effect of a change made (cause and effect)
e.g. he may think he has left the oven on at home, in one universe he decides to go check and as he turns around he gets hit, in the other he decides not to check and carries on in his journey, this could also happend vice versa |
OOOH even different THOUGHTS would have infinate outcomes!
Even if no action was taken.
Still reeeks of bullshit to me. |
"The numbers are to big that I get a nose bleed trying to imagine them, therefore BS."
Pleeeeeeeeease tell me that's not your argument.
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baddogma
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pretty much. The isn't room in the universe for that many universes! LOL
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RyanDzundza
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:53 am Post subject: |
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| baddogma wrote: | | pretty much. The isn't room in the universe for that many universes! LOL |
maybe in some of these universes that is true and in some universes, Parallel Universes dont exist
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:59 am Post subject: |
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| baddogma wrote: | | pretty much. The isn't room in the universe for that many universes! LOL |
That's the kind of stuff that keeps coming to mind for me too, but I have to keep reminding myself that I'm thinking in the wrong terms. Usually I don't have trouble thinking outside of the box, until we start talking about stuff that's REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY big, or REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY small. All of my abilities to think in other ways tries to shut down. That's when I have to actually force my mind open with a crow bar. Wanna borrow it?
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I was recently debating a christian with an inkling of this theory who actually tried to use it to validate his religion, arguing that in one of the universes, the bible is true. Never has a straw been so desperately clutched, I thought.
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Paranoia21
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| Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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Does anybody get Scientific American?
I got a mini-issue about parallel universes. Unfoutunately, it is not on the site, at least not now. I'll try to get a summary posted here in a couple days, if you would like it.
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tonyman1989
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| Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:06 pm Post subject: Re: Parallel Universes! |
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| Moloth wrote: | http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=paUniverse_sun14_parallel_universes&show_article=1&cat=0
| Quote: | Parallel universes really do exist, according to a mathematical discovery by Oxford scientists described by one expert as "one of the most important developments in the history of science".
The parallel universe theory, first proposed in 1950 by the US physicist Hugh Everett, helps explain mysteries of quantum mechanics that have baffled scientists for decades, it is claimed.
In Everett's "many worlds" universe, every time a new physical possibility is explored, the universe splits. Given a number of possible alternative outcomes, each one is played out - in its own universe.
A motorist who has a near miss, for instance, might feel relieved at his lucky escape. But in a parallel universe, another version of the same driver will have been killed. Yet another universe will see the motorist recover after treatment in hospital. The number of alternative scenarios is endless. |
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Cool thanks for posting.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Moloth wrote: | i buy it.
for every possibility per every Planck second the universe has ever existed, there is an alternate universe out there. an infinitely branching out of possible outcomes... and the farther you go from 'prime', the more fucked up things get, until the you start getting to universes who's natural laws are so unstable that they collapse.
i LOVE this stuff. |
Ya, I love that stuff too. |
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RyanDzundza
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:01 am Post subject: |
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| cartman wrote: | | I was recently debating a christian with an inkling of this theory who actually tried to use it to validate his religion, arguing that in one of the universes, the bible is true. Never has a straw been so desperately clutched, I thought. |
ah, the unmistakable sound of the bottom of a barrel being clawed at lol
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| i dont buy it. its the same as saying god exists. we'll never know and the only evidence is some 50 year old scrall. without seeing it it might as well not be there....nice for tv shows though |
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