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| Raskolnikov wrote: | So Romans... God allows evil to happen. No, in fact, since he controls all apsects of the universe HE'S THE ONE DOING ALL OF IT!
Tsunamis, Earthquakes, Fires, Murder, Holocaust, Crusades, Inquisition, Crucifixion, Rape, Tornadoes, Hurricanes, Massacres, Bestiality, Infanticide...
That is some fucked up God you believe in. An evil God actually. Thank you Romans, I know EXACTLY what God is now. An evil fuck. |
Oh, was that really necessary?
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Raskolnikov
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| romans120 wrote: | | Philosophos wrote: | | munky99999 wrote: | | wow romans... you admit you have no free will... so you dont wish to ever punish anyone in society for breaking laws... GOD is guiding these puppets to do those things... if you jail these tools of the lord... you are trying to stop God... |
Well, Romans can't help feeling the need for punishment either, as he was created by God to feel that way under his worldview. According to Romans, he is simply a tool designed by God in order for God to do with what He'd like: a tool to glorify God (like, say, a trophy) or for "common use" (like a toilet brush). Either way, he is just a tool.
I'm happy that your God doesn't exist, Romans. What does it feel like to look at your children and think of the possibility that they could simply be "common use" tools of God? |
I trust God completley I hope my kids are empty and willing vessels for His glory |
For some reason I found a hint of sarcasm in that.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| romans120 wrote: | | Philosophos wrote: | | munky99999 wrote: | | wow romans... you admit you have no free will... so you dont wish to ever punish anyone in society for breaking laws... GOD is guiding these puppets to do those things... if you jail these tools of the lord... you are trying to stop God... |
Well, Romans can't help feeling the need for punishment either, as he was created by God to feel that way under his worldview. According to Romans, he is simply a tool designed by God in order for God to do with what He'd like: a tool to glorify God (like, say, a trophy) or for "common use" (like a toilet brush). Either way, he is just a tool.
I'm happy that your God doesn't exist, Romans. What does it feel like to look at your children and think of the possibility that they could simply be "common use" tools of God? |
I trust God completley I hope my kids are empty and willing vessels for His glory |
But you'll never know, will you?
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Raskolnikov
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| Wander wrote: | | Raskolnikov wrote: | So Romans... God allows evil to happen. No, in fact, since he controls all apsects of the universe HE'S THE ONE DOING ALL OF IT!
Tsunamis, Earthquakes, Fires, Murder, Holocaust, Crusades, Inquisition, Crucifixion, Rape, Tornadoes, Hurricanes, Massacres, Bestiality, Infanticide...
That is some fucked up God you believe in. An evil God actually. Thank you Romans, I know EXACTLY what God is now. An evil fuck. |
Oh, was that really necessary? |
That's how I roll.
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| Quote: | [quote="romans120"]
I trust God completley I hope my kids are empty and willing vessels for His glory |
Raskolnikov wrote:
| Quote: | | For some reason I found a hint of sarcasm in that. |
Moloth wrote | Quote: |
You said that JUST to creep us out. *shudder* |
You guys are so .. so.. Skeptical
I meant every word of that
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Raskolnikov
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[quote="romans120"] | Quote: | | romans120 wrote: |
I trust God completley I hope my kids are empty and willing vessels for His glory |
Raskolnikov wrote:
| Quote: | | For some reason I found a hint of sarcasm in that. |
Moloth wrote | Quote: |
You said that JUST to creep us out. *shudder* |
You guys are so .. so.. Skeptical
I meant every word of that |
 
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| Moloth wrote: | | baddogma wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | | kmisho wrote: | | baddogma wrote: | | drix41 wrote: | | My girlfriend argues that Job is a man and since he is a man he has flaws including assuming that god is all-powerful. And so I respond with that means that the bible is not 100% true and then she says that no where in the bible does it say that it is. So I respond with the whole God-breathed and she says that that is not proof that man writing it can't have flaws. bullshit |
Then what good is the bible if the man writing "the word of god" didn't write down the word of god?
She just nulified her religion! |
I give her a 10.0 for mental gymnastics to even be able say those things without blinking. |
if only she were just as capable of sexual gymnastics... |
Um...He's not with her for her rationality......  |
what man is EVER with a woman for her rationality?
thats like moving to Kansas for its beachfront property.
EDIT: also... /bitter |
Then my wife is a frickin genius. Case in point...
I'm sure you know the standard story about the rise of Christianity that goes like this: Constantine was a nasty evil pagan until one day he had a vision telling him that "in this sign you shall conquer" XP, the first 2 letters of the word Christ in greek. So Constantine ordered his men to put these letters on their shields and he defeated Maxentius's larger army at the Battle of Milvian Bridge.
After that, Constantine was convinced and converted to Christianity and made it the state religion and thanks to this the joy of Jesus dominates the western world to this day.
My wife and I were talking about it one day and she pointed out how far-fetched, pat and convenient the story was. Ever since then, I have doubted the veracity of this official story of the rise of Jesus-ism. Sure, there are some verified bits of the story that cannot be doubted. But I doubt the overall gist of the story and a lot of the particulars. How do we even know that Constantine had a vision? I think the vision is a fictional invention to give a miraculous flavor to the (embarrasing military) rise of Christianity.
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Constantine was a nasty evil pagan until one day he had a vision telling him that "in this sign you shall conquer" XP
All this over an emotocon?!? XP
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| romans120 wrote: | | Philosophos wrote: | | munky99999 wrote: | | wow romans... you admit you have no free will... so you dont wish to ever punish anyone in society for breaking laws... GOD is guiding these puppets to do those things... if you jail these tools of the lord... you are trying to stop God... |
Well, Romans can't help feeling the need for punishment either, as he was created by God to feel that way under his worldview. According to Romans, he is simply a tool designed by God in order for God to do with what He'd like: a tool to glorify God (like, say, a trophy) or for "common use" (like a toilet brush). Either way, he is just a tool.
I'm happy that your God doesn't exist, Romans. What does it feel like to look at your children and think of the possibility that they could simply be "common use" tools of God? |
I trust God completley I hope my kids are empty and willing vessels for His glory |
OOO LAWD GAWD!!!! PLEASE CUM INTO MY CHILDREN!! JUST PUT ALL OF YOUR GLORY INTO MY CHILDREN LAWD JUST CUM!
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I thought it was God's way of motivating him to move on from ME...
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| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:09 am Post subject: Re: So I was rereading the Bible... |
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| Raskolnikov wrote: | For the past two weeks I have been rereading the Bible (This will be the second time I have read it) and as I was finishing up the Book of Job and started chapter 42 I noticed this...
Job 42:1 - "Then Job answered the Lord and said:"
Job 42:2 - "I know that You can do anything, and that no purpose of Yours can be withheld from You."
I was always told that it doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that God can do anything, but Job clearly says it here and God does not correct him, so the all-famous rock connundrum still has ground.
"If God can do anything, can he make a rock so heavy that he himself can never lift?"
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A rock so heavy God can't lift isn't a thing to be created because it can't exist. The ability to do anything doesn't require the ability to do nothing, which is what your God breaking rock actually is. Contrary to popular cliché, the Bible doesn't claim God can do the logically impossible. |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:32 am Post subject: Re: So I was rereading the Bible... |
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| atheod wrote: | | Raskolnikov wrote: | For the past two weeks I have been rereading the Bible (This will be the second time I have read it) and as I was finishing up the Book of Job and started chapter 42 I noticed this...
Job 42:1 - "Then Job answered the Lord and said:"
Job 42:2 - "I know that You can do anything, and that no purpose of Yours can be withheld from You."
I was always told that it doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that God can do anything, but Job clearly says it here and God does not correct him, so the all-famous rock connundrum still has ground.
"If God can do anything, can he make a rock so heavy that he himself can never lift?"
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A rock so heavy God can't lift isn't a thing to be created because it can't exist. The ability to do anything doesn't require the ability to do nothing, which is what your God breaking rock actually is. Contrary to popular cliché, the Bible doesn't claim God can do the logically impossible. |
youre an idiot. That is completely wrong.
Honestly are you guys this blind?
These examples fail because of physical laws...
"If God can do anything, can he make a rock so heavy that he himself can never lift?"
Relative to what? Once you get to a certain mass... it collapses into a star and neutron or black. Suddenly god isnt lifting a "rock" anymore. So the real question is...
Can god keep 2 infinite super blackholes from each other? Sure... not really a violation in the rules to keep the on the opposite sides of universe.
"Can god create a burrito so hot that he cannot eat it?"
again physical laws defeat these... make a burrito so hot... it vaporizes. So the real question is...
can god breath in cooled burrito particles? Not an issue.
Both of these are faulty because of the limits of physical laws and not god's supposed omnipotence. There are other working ideas which defeats omni-
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| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:43 am Post subject: Re: So I was rereading the Bible... |
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| munky99999 wrote: | | atheod wrote: | | Raskolnikov wrote: | For the past two weeks I have been rereading the Bible (This will be the second time I have read it) and as I was finishing up the Book of Job and started chapter 42 I noticed this...
Job 42:1 - "Then Job answered the Lord and said:"
Job 42:2 - "I know that You can do anything, and that no purpose of Yours can be withheld from You."
I was always told that it doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that God can do anything, but Job clearly says it here and God does not correct him, so the all-famous rock connundrum still has ground.
"If God can do anything, can he make a rock so heavy that he himself can never lift?"
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A rock so heavy God can't lift isn't a thing to be created because it can't exist. The ability to do anything doesn't require the ability to do nothing, which is what your God breaking rock actually is. Contrary to popular cliché, the Bible doesn't claim God can do the logically impossible. |
youre an idiot. That is completely wrong.
Honestly are you guys this blind?
These examples fail because of physical laws...
"If God can do anything, can he make a rock so heavy that he himself can never lift?"
Relative to what? Once you get to a certain mass... it collapses into a star and neutron or black. Suddenly god isnt lifting a "rock" anymore. So the real question is...
Can god keep 2 infinite super blackholes from each other? Sure... not really a violation in the rules to keep the on the opposite sides of universe.
"Can god create a burrito so hot that he cannot eat it?"
again physical laws defeat these... make a burrito so hot... it vaporizes. So the real question is...
can god breath in cooled burrito particles? Not an issue.
Both of these are faulty because of the limits of physical laws and not god's supposed omnipotence. There are other working ideas which defeats omni- |
Good thing God isn't "omni-". And no, not because there are working ideas which defeat "omni-" but because God was never "omni-" in the first place. |
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munky99999
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| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:01 am Post subject: Re: So I was rereading the Bible... |
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Good thing God isn't "omni-". And no, not because there are working ideas which defeat "omni-" but because God was never "omni-" in the first place. |
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You are wrong...
Seriously...
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God from the Bible has been omnipotent for 2000 years...
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Basically all monotheistic religions have God as omnipotent...
What the hell do you smoke honestly...
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atheod
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| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:08 am Post subject: Re: So I was rereading the Bible... |
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| munky99999 wrote: | | atheod wrote: |
Good thing God isn't "omni-". And no, not because there are working ideas which defeat "omni-" but because God was never "omni-" in the first place. |
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You are wrong...
Seriously...
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God from the Bible has been omnipotent for 2000 years...
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Basically all monotheistic religions have God as omnipotent...
What the hell do you smoke honestly... |
Basically all monotheistic religions have God unable to do the illogical. Which means, to most theists, God isn't omnipotent in the sense of the word many atheists use as supposed proof he can't exist.
And I smoke tobacco on occasion. Seriously... |
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