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 Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:01 pm Post subject: Okay, Atheists....go! lol |
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http://www.formspring.me/rachelofori
http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Scientific-Proof-of-Bible.php
First link has this girl trying to debate someone who randomly posted some stuff about evolution and such.
Second link is a link she provided as "proof" that the Bible is real...so therefore God is real.....  i know
Okay, I'd like your helpfully quick debunking of that list of "proofs of the bible" so I can send it to her.
And I do know this chick, she went to the christian school I used to go to (long story lol), so yeah.
Well, actually, I'll just post the "bible proofs" list here:
| Quote: | Scientific Fact or Principle Bible reference Date of discovery by man
Both man and woman possess the seed of life Genesis 3:15 17th Century
There is a place void of stars in the North Job 26:7 19th Century
Earth is held in place by invisible forces Job 26:7 1650
Taxonomic classification of matter Genesis 1 1735
The Earth is round Isaiah 40:22 15th Century
Day and night occur simultaneously on Earth Luke 17:34 15th Century
Certain animals carry diseases harmful to man Leviticus 11 16th Century
Early diagnosis of leprosy Leviticus 13 17th Century
Quarantine for disease control Leviticus 13 17th Century
Blood of animals carries diseases Leviticus 17 17th Century
Blood is necessary for life Leviticus 17:11 19th Century
Oceans have natural paths in them Psalms 8:8 1854
Earth was in nebular form initially Genesis 1:2 1911
Most seaworthy ship design ratio is 30:5:3 Genesis 6 1860
Light is a particle and has mass (a photon) Job 38:19 1932
Radio astronomy (stars give off signals) Job 38:7 1945
Oceans contain fresh water springs Job 38:16 1920
Snow has material value Job 38:22 1905, 1966
Infinite number of stars exist Genesis 15:5 1940
Dust is important to survival Isaiah 40:12 1935
Hubert Spencer's scientific principles Genesis 1 1820
Air has weight Job 28:25 16th Century
Light can be split up into component colors Job 38:24 1650
Matter is made up of invisible particles Romans 1:20 20th Century
Plants use sunlight to manufacture food Job 8:16 1920
Arcturus and other stars move through space Job 38:32 19th Century
Water cycle Ecclesiastes 1:7 17th Century
Life originated in the sea Genesis 1 19th Century
Lightning and thunder are related Job 38:25 19th Century
Man was the last animal created Genesis 1 15th Century
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I would debunk all these myself, but I don't have the time right now lol.
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Nigga I am not a pokemon to be summoned at your leisure.
It gets cramped in here.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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| rrpaul wrote: | | Okay, I'd like your helpfully quick debunking of that list of "proofs of the bible" so I can send it to her. |
| rrpaul wrote: | | 2 links and a laundry list of shit |
| rrpaul wrote: | | I would debunk all these myself, but I don't have the time right now lol. |
| Zeitgeist wrote: | | Nigga I am not a pokemon to be summoned at your leisure. |
+1
rrpaul, the sheer amount of fail you've shown since you got here is mind-fuck staggering. Are your parents siblings or something?
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rrpaul
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Lol, I'm just lazy
| Zeitgeist wrote: | Nigga I am not a pokemon to be summoned at your leisure.
It gets cramped in here. |
Haha, okay.
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| Quote: | | Lightning and thunder are related Job 38:25 19th Century |
I can help you with this one. This relationship was discovered about 100,000+ years ago when the first humans witnessed their first thunderstorm. Most of these examples are easily observable to the most ignorant of people. Others like man was the last animal 'created' are simply wrong. Also, nothing in the verses really points to scientific knowledge. If they discussed the germ theory of disease instead of pointing out scabs on a leper I might be impressed. I did get a good laugh out of it though. |
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Scientific Fact or Principle Bible reference Date of discovery by man
Both man and woman possess the seed of life Genesis 3:15 17th Century
There is a place void of stars in the North Job 26:7 19th Century
Earth is held in place by invisible forces Job 26:7 1650
Taxonomic classification of matter Genesis 1 1735
The Earth is round Isaiah 40:22 15th Century
Day and night occur simultaneously on Earth Luke 17:34 15th Century
Certain animals carry diseases harmful to man Leviticus 11 16th Century
Early diagnosis of leprosy Leviticus 13 17th Century
Quarantine for disease control Leviticus 13 17th Century
Blood of animals carries diseases Leviticus 17 17th Century
Blood is necessary for life Leviticus 17:11 19th Century
Oceans have natural paths in them Psalms 8:8 1854
Earth was in nebular form initially Genesis 1:2 1911
Most seaworthy ship design ratio is 30:5:3 Genesis 6 1860
Light is a particle and has mass (a photon) Job 38:19 1932
Radio astronomy (stars give off signals) Job 38:7 1945
Oceans contain fresh water springs Job 38:16 1920
Snow has material value Job 38:22 1905, 1966
Infinite number of stars exist Genesis 15:5 1940
Dust is important to survival Isaiah 40:12 1935
Hubert Spencer's scientific principles Genesis 1 1820
Air has weight Job 28:25 16th Century
Light can be split up into component colors Job 38:24 1650
Matter is made up of invisible particles Romans 1:20 20th Century
Plants use sunlight to manufacture food Job 8:16 1920
Arcturus and other stars move through space Job 38:32 19th Century
Water cycle Ecclesiastes 1:7 17th Century
Life originated in the sea Genesis 1 19th Century
Lightning and thunder are related Job 38:25 19th Century
Man was the last animal created Genesis 1 15th Century
All sound reasoning. I must convert!
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rrpaul
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| baddogma wrote: | | All sound reasoning. I must convert! |
Ikr? lmao
Well I sent her a link to that evilbible.com site that had all of those biblical contradictions that we were talking about on that other thread.
So I'll see how she responds to that lol.
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baddogma
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| rrpaul wrote: | | baddogma wrote: | | All sound reasoning. I must convert! |
Ikr? lmao
Well I sent her a link to that evilbible.com site that had all of those biblical contradictions that we were talking about on that other thread.
So I'll see how she responds to that lol. |
Link her to www.skepticsannotatedbible.com
Loads of laughs!
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Look up the literal verses. Don't take her interpretation as unbiased. I would imagine that if you were to slap a book together through random processes that was as long as the bible, you would end up with at least that many coincidences. That is all they are is coincidences that are made more substantial by her biased interpretaion of their meaning.
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| Quote: | | Both man and woman possess the seed of life Genesis 3:15 17th Century |
This is the only one i read but really...Goddamnit how ignorant can someone be?
This isnt proof that God exists, its proof that whoever wrote this verse obviously knew about the male and female reproductive process...ive lost faith in humanity -_-
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| ImRunninUDown!33 wrote: | | Quote: | | Both man and woman possess the seed of life Genesis 3:15 17th Century |
This is the only one i read but really...Goddamnit how ignorant can someone be?
This isnt proof that God exists, its proof that whoever wrote this verse obviously knew about the male and female reproductive process...ive lost faith in humanity -_- |
im with you on this
arent we supposed to be intelligent
I wish natural selection would start its work on theist to phase them out of existence before i die 
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| ImRunninUDown!33 wrote: | | ...ive lost faith in humanity -_- |
Me too.
I have not, however, lost faith in clever monkeys.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:09 pm Post subject: Re: Okay, Atheists....go! lol |
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| rrpaul wrote: | | Earth is held in place by invisible forces Job 26:7 1650 |
Yeah, it's called god ... I mean gravity ... I mean god ... whatever.
| rrpaul wrote: | | Taxonomic classification of matter Genesis 1 1735 |
Yes, because classification is something that man has never done. No evidence of god here.
| rrpaul wrote: | | The Earth is round Isaiah 40:22 15th Century |
Yes, a flat disc is round. No evidence of god here.
| rrpaul wrote: | | Day and night occur simultaneously on Earth Luke 17:34 15th Century |
Easily observable and testable. No evidence of god here.
| rrpaul wrote: | | Certain animals carry diseases harmful to man Leviticus 11 16th Century |
Duh, that's why pork and shellfish were forbidden, they didn't know how to cook them in such a way to keep from getting sick. No evidence of god here.
| rrpaul wrote: | | Early diagnosis of leprosy Leviticus 13 17th Century |
Right, like no one would have otherwise noticed the person with gaping sores and limbs falling off. No evidence of god here.
| rrpaul wrote: | | Quarantine for disease control Leviticus 13 17th Century |
Without god, we would just let diseased people walk around and spread their infections. No evidence of god here.
| rrpaul wrote: | | Blood of animals carries diseases Leviticus 17 17th Century |
Easily observable and testable. No evidence of god here.
| rrpaul wrote: | | Blood is necessary for life Leviticus 17:11 19th Century |
Easily observable and testable. Bleeding to death happens all the time. What's next, we need god to tell us that people can die by choking on stuff? No evidence of god here.
| rrpaul wrote: | | Oceans have natural paths in them Psalms 8:8 1854 |
Easily observable and testable, they're called "currents". No evidence of god here.
| rrpaul wrote: | | Most seaworthy ship design ratio is 30:5:3 Genesis 6 1860 |
Easily observable and testable. No evidence of god here.
| rrpaul wrote: | | Air has weight Job 28:25 16th Century |
Easily observable and testable. No evidence of god here.
| rrpaul wrote: | | Matter is made up of invisible particles Romans 1:20 20th Century |
The greeks knew this before the bible was written, they came up with the idea of the atom. Basically, if you take any object and cut it in half. Cut it in half again, and keep cutting it in half, you'll eventually get to the base building block, which they postulated to be microscopic, and they called it an "atom". No evidence of god here.
| rrpaul wrote: | | Plants use sunlight to manufacture food Job 8:16 1920 |
Easily observable and testable. No evidence of god here.
| rrpaul wrote: | | Water cycle Ecclesiastes 1:7 17th Century |
Easily observable and testable. No evidence of god here.
| rrpaul wrote: | | Lightning and thunder are related Job 38:25 19th Century |
Easily observable and testable. No evidence of god here.
| rrpaul wrote: | | Man was the last animal created Genesis 1 15th Century |
Not evidence of god.
| rrpaul wrote: | | I would debunk all these myself, but I don't have the time right now lol. |
That's why I hooked you up, enjoy. 
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| Adventfred wrote: | im with you on this
arent we supposed to be intelligent
I wish natural selection would start its work on theist to phase them out of existence before i die |
You know we dont have to wait for natural selection to take effect...*grabs baseball bat*
| Astrum Mica wrote: | Me too.
I have not, however, lost faith in clever monkeys. |
I will never lose faith in clever monkeys...but i have lost faith in this monkey
even though he just THINKS hes clever...
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rrpaul
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:58 pm Post subject: Re: Okay, Atheists....go! lol |
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| CET wrote: | | rrpaul wrote: | | Earth is held in place by invisible forces Job 26:7 1650 |
Yeah, it's called god ... I mean gravity ... I mean god ... whatever.
| rrpaul wrote: | | Taxonomic classification of matter Genesis 1 1735 |
Yes, because classification is something that man has never done. No evidence of god here.
| rrpaul wrote: | | The Earth is round Isaiah 40:22 15th Century |
Yes, a flat disc is round. No evidence of god here.
| rrpaul wrote: | | Day and night occur simultaneously on Earth Luke 17:34 15th Century |
Easily observable and testable. No evidence of god here.
| rrpaul wrote: | | Certain animals carry diseases harmful to man Leviticus 11 16th Century |
Duh, that's why pork and shellfish were forbidden, they didn't know how to cook them in such a way to keep from getting sick. No evidence of god here.
| rrpaul wrote: | | Early diagnosis of leprosy Leviticus 13 17th Century |
Right, like no one would have otherwise noticed the person with gaping sores and limbs falling off. No evidence of god here.
| rrpaul wrote: | | Quarantine for disease control Leviticus 13 17th Century |
Without god, we would just let diseased people walk around and spread their infections. No evidence of god here.
| rrpaul wrote: | | Blood of animals carries diseases Leviticus 17 17th Century |
Easily observable and testable. No evidence of god here.
| rrpaul wrote: | | Blood is necessary for life Leviticus 17:11 19th Century |
Easily observable and testable. Bleeding to death happens all the time. What's next, we need god to tell us that people can die by choking on stuff? No evidence of god here.
| rrpaul wrote: | | Oceans have natural paths in them Psalms 8:8 1854 |
Easily observable and testable, they're called "currents". No evidence of god here.
| rrpaul wrote: | | Most seaworthy ship design ratio is 30:5:3 Genesis 6 1860 |
Easily observable and testable. No evidence of god here.
| rrpaul wrote: | | Air has weight Job 28:25 16th Century |
Easily observable and testable. No evidence of god here.
| rrpaul wrote: | | Matter is made up of invisible particles Romans 1:20 20th Century |
The greeks knew this before the bible was written, they came up with the idea of the atom. Basically, if you take any object and cut it in half. Cut it in half again, and keep cutting it in half, you'll eventually get to the base building block, which they postulated to be microscopic, and they called it an "atom". No evidence of god here.
| rrpaul wrote: | | Plants use sunlight to manufacture food Job 8:16 1920 |
Easily observable and testable. No evidence of god here.
| rrpaul wrote: | | Water cycle Ecclesiastes 1:7 17th Century |
Easily observable and testable. No evidence of god here.
| rrpaul wrote: | | Lightning and thunder are related Job 38:25 19th Century |
Easily observable and testable. No evidence of god here.
| rrpaul wrote: | | Man was the last animal created Genesis 1 15th Century |
Not evidence of god.
| rrpaul wrote: | | I would debunk all these myself, but I don't have the time right now lol. |
That's why I hooked you up, enjoy. |
Well thanks for takin the time to do this, but it isn't going to convince this girl.
The "15th Century" and "19th Century" are talking about the dates that man discovered these things, and therefore stating that "the Bible already knew this stuff".
So "easily observable and testable" isn't going to really convince her.
She seems to think that there are some "potholes" as she described it, in evolution.
| Quote: | | My problem with evolution does not stem from wether or not it disproves the existance of God, because it does not. Its the fact that there are too many potholes in the theory of evolution for me to believe in it. |
You think they are starting to get it, then they throw intelligence out the window, lol.
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Everytime I see anything that man does I die a little...no, a LOT inside.
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