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| josephpalazzo wrote: | | Philosophos wrote: | How'd you get that picture of anomaly?
*I am in so much trouble right now...* |
The picture was in response to your question: what's my Charisma level? |
Right - which makes his posting his pix of anomaly so crazy, irrelevant, an irreverent!
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| Moloth wrote: | | Philosophos wrote: | How'd you get that picture of anomaly?
*I am in so much trouble right now...* |
dude.
fucking RUN.
We'll get you plane tickets to Siberia! |
Yeah - I'll be taking the next flight out...
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| Philosophos wrote: | | But isn't this self-contradictory? For then you yourself didn't even know what your saying in the above statement when you said "god." |
Not at all, I'm simply using the word GOD. I'm not ascribing any meaning to it. I can not know what a word means and use it in this context. You're not contradicting yourself when someone asks you "do you believe in god?" and you retort "I don't know what you're talking about when you use the word GOD." But in terms of a definition.....no one knows what it means.
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ChrissyFos
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| BarkAtTheMoon wrote: | | ChrissyFos wrote: | | Philosophos wrote: | But here's the rub. What about the proposition: "God does not exist." Isn't that a proposition too? A true agnostic, again, can have no attitude toward this proposition. He can just shrug his shoulders.
An atheist, however, would assent to this proposition. And what is assenting to a proposition? A belief. By definition. |
Any thoughts on the subject of god, whether it be that god does or does not exist, would be a belief, no? |
And wouldn't pretty much any thoughts on any subject be a belief by that logic? Can't really prove much of anything 100% so everything's just a belief, right? Seems like this only really works if the atheist says "God, any possible god, does not exist." Most specific god concepts that man has invented can IMHO be shown to be utterly ridiculous and illogical, which makes it a fact based position and different from a "belief" using the definition of belief that relates to theism. I've never heard any atheist say that there's 100% chance that every possible god does not and cannot exist, just that they're extremely unlikely and unnecessary to the point of absurdity, possibly by mentioning inductive reasoning. That seems very different than just saying, "Atheism is a belief, too." |
When there is no evidence, knowledge or anything to experiment with to support or disprove the concept that we are all discussing, it makes sense to me that any and all thoughts about that particular concept are describing our beliefs. In previous ‘lack of belief’ threads, many people have brought up the sun rising or gravity, but those are predictions based on knowledge, not beliefs. I believe there is a big difference. Or maybe my mind is just boggled, because even after this has been discussed countless times here, I'm still stuck in the same spot. I'm experiencing cerebral constipation!
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josephpalazzo
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| ChrissyFos wrote: | | BarkAtTheMoon wrote: | | ChrissyFos wrote: | | Philosophos wrote: | But here's the rub. What about the proposition: "God does not exist." Isn't that a proposition too? A true agnostic, again, can have no attitude toward this proposition. He can just shrug his shoulders.
An atheist, however, would assent to this proposition. And what is assenting to a proposition? A belief. By definition. |
Any thoughts on the subject of god, whether it be that god does or does not exist, would be a belief, no? |
And wouldn't pretty much any thoughts on any subject be a belief by that logic? Can't really prove much of anything 100% so everything's just a belief, right? Seems like this only really works if the atheist says "God, any possible god, does not exist." Most specific god concepts that man has invented can IMHO be shown to be utterly ridiculous and illogical, which makes it a fact based position and different from a "belief" using the definition of belief that relates to theism. I've never heard any atheist say that there's 100% chance that every possible god does not and cannot exist, just that they're extremely unlikely and unnecessary to the point of absurdity, possibly by mentioning inductive reasoning. That seems very different than just saying, "Atheism is a belief, too." |
When there is no evidence, knowledge or anything to experiment with to support or disprove the concept that we are all discussing, it makes sense to me that any and all thoughts about that particular concept are describing our beliefs. In previous ‘lack of belief’ threads, many people have brought up the sun rising or gravity, but those are predictions based on knowledge, not beliefs. I believe there is a big difference. Or maybe my mind is just boggled, because even after this has been discussed countless times here, I'm still stuck in the same spot. I'm experiencing cerebral constipation! |
The difference between science and religion rests on the notion that in science all of the assumptions taken to be true are always under supervision. If any assumption fails, they are revised or simply discard. Religion has a set of core beliefs that are taken to be sacred and beyond questioning. Those two positions are irreconcilable. |
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Moloth
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josephpalazzo
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Seen it before AND it's still making me laugh... thanks |
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well... it just seemed so appropriate..
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JCMac
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:14 pm Post subject: Re: Oh, I finally get the Bible! |
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| Zocrates wrote: | The bible (and every other religious book for that matter) is like a book telling you if you stand on your head long enough, you'll get rich. Atheists read this book and we may even stand on our heads for a second, but after 1.1 seconds, we realize its bullshit. Christians read it and when they don't get rich, they think it's something they're doing wrong, so they stand on their heads even longer. Meanwhile, no one has actually seen anyone profit from this "get rich" method, but 90% of the population continues to stand on their head anyway.  |
Is that you Skippy?
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| Moloth wrote: | well... it just seemed so appropriate..
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Haha I expected that that picture will be posted here in atheistforums eventually.
Now that's finally realized!
Thank you Moloth!
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Paranoia21
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That pic is so funny cause it's so true.
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| Paranoia21 wrote: | | That pic is so funny cause it's so true. |
it's also sad because it's true.
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| tonyman1989 wrote: | | Paranoia21 wrote: | | That pic is so funny cause it's so true. |
it's also sad because it's true. |
Ergo, it's sad because it's funny.
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josephpalazzo
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| true=sad=funny=??? |
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