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Noncognitivism is a perfectly defensible view of theism. And I definitely would not assert that noncognitivists "believe" that there's no God, as it's part of their assertion that the God concept is literally nonsense.
I don't think that it's the best way to go, however - and in fact I think the viewpoint has some flaws. But, if you all subscribe to this viewpoint, then you're right in saying that you "have no belief," as one cannot have a propositional attitude toward something that is not a proposition in the first place.
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| Philosophos wrote: | | All words are labels, but I'm sorry if you feel insulted by my statements. However, if you literally think that when people talk about God, it's jibberish, then you are a noncognativist by definition. |
Oh I'm not insulted in the least. But since no one (not even those that believe in god) know what they're talking about when describing what god is.....everyone is a noncognativist. What purpose does this label serve if you can basically substitue it with "human being". Same with the word "god"...you can substitue is with "nothing" and it doesn't lose its meaning. That label means nothing to me unless clearly defined.
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The point is that there is a difference. I believe x, and I believe not X are opposite propositions, and one can only consider one of those propositions to be true. |
There IS no X..only P
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| Philosophos wrote: | Noncognitivism is a perfectly defensible view of theism. And I definitely would not assert that noncognitivists "believe" that there's no God, as it's part of their assertion that the God concept is literally nonsense.
I don't think that it's the best way to go, however - and in fact I think the viewpoint has some flaws. But, if you all subscribe to this viewpoint, then you're right in saying that you "have no belief," as one cannot have a propositional attitude toward something that is not a proposition in the first place. |
Oh FUCK YEAH, then I'm a noncongenitivesist!
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| josephpalazzo wrote: | | The point is that there is a difference. I believe x, and I believe not X are opposite propositions, and one can only consider one of those propositions to be true. |
Only if you know what X is. If you don't know what X is, you shouldn't automatically take the stance that you do not belive in X because once you find out what X is (if you ever do), you may change your mind and believe in it.
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| Zocrates wrote: | | Philosophos wrote: | | All words are labels, but I'm sorry if you feel insulted by my statements. However, if you literally think that when people talk about God, it's jibberish, then you are a noncognativist by definition. |
Oh I'm not insulted in the least. But since no one (not even those that believe in god) know what they're talking about when describing what god is.....everyone is a noncognativist. What purpose does this label serve if you can basically substitue it with "human being". Same with the word "god"...you can substitue is with "nothing" and it doesn't lose its meaning. That label means nothing to me unless clearly defined. |
SHHHHH! If it makes Phil believe I don't- not non-believe in gods let it go!!!
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The point is that there is a difference. I believe x, and I believe not X are opposite propositions, and one can only consider one of those propositions to be true. |
There IS no X..only P |
Chi - rho? Holy shit! If you meant that as a joke:  I am not worthy!
And if you didn't... fuck. I get dork-of-the-year. I guess I better go make a new D&D character with anomaly... *snort*.
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| Zocrates wrote: | | josephpalazzo wrote: | | The point is that there is a difference. I believe x, and I believe not X are opposite propositions, and one can only consider one of those propositions to be true. |
Only if you know what X is. If you don't know what X is, you shouldn't automatically take the stance that you do not belive in X because once you find out what X is (if you ever do), you may change your mind and believe in it. |
Well up to that point you don't so stay a nongongenitivenisist!
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| baddogma wrote: | | SHHHHH! If it makes Phil believe I don't- not non-believe in gods let it go!!! |
No, I can't SHHHH.....this whole exercise has been a secrect quest to become a forum leader (and I'm almost there). 
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| baddogma wrote: | | SHHHHH! If it makes Phil believe I don't- not non-believe in gods let it go!!! |
I merely lack belief that you don't not non-believe.
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| baddogma wrote: | | Quote: |
The point is that there is a difference. I believe x, and I believe not X are opposite propositions, and one can only consider one of those propositions to be true. |
There IS no X..only P |
In the language of Apes, x=P and not-X = not-P, by the Substitution Axiom.
(To paraphrase Mark Twain, the unsoundness of the substitution axiom has been greatly exaggerated.) |
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| Zocrates wrote: | | baddogma wrote: | | SHHHHH! If it makes Phil believe I don't- not non-believe in gods let it go!!! |
No, I can't SHHHH.....this whole exercise has been a secrect quest to become a forum leader (and I'm almost there). |
Fuck...I'm still only a tetrapod...
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| Philosophos wrote: | | baddogma wrote: | | SHHHHH! If it makes Phil believe I don't- not non-believe in gods let it go!!! |
I merely lack belief that you don't not non-believe. |
I'm skeptickital about that!
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Philosophos
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| Zocrates wrote: | | Oh I'm not insulted in the least. |
Cool. I just wanna be sure.
| Quote: | | But since no one (not even those that believe in god) know what they're talking about when describing what god is.....everyone is a noncognativist. |
But isn't this self-contradictory? For then you yourself didn't even know what your saying in the above statement when you said "god."
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| Philosophos wrote: | | baddogma wrote: | | SHHHHH! If it makes Phil believe I don't- not non-believe in gods let it go!!! |
I merely lack belief that you don't not non-believe. |
Must I correct you (for the umpteenth time *patience, patience*)? YOU BELIEVE THAT "I merely lack belief that you don't not non-believe". *SIGH* |
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