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 Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 3:18 pm Post subject: Not a single person on this earth is a TRUE Christian. |
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If you were, you would follow everything the bible said, you would not plan for the future because you would believe with your entire heart and soul that jesus is over a thousand years late and should be arriving any minute now. You would also be able to drink poison without being harmed. You would kill homosexuals in the name of Jesus. You would give away your worldly possessions and help the poor. The church you go to would not be adorned with gold, nor would the decorative windows cost thousands of dollars. You would pray in SECRET and not OPENLY.
What other things does the bible command christians to do, that we all know they don't? Doesn't it say something about hating your mother and father? |
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You forgot the part about the stoning of atheists. I shouldn't be alive right now. Neither should you.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 3:44 pm Post subject: Re: Not a single person on this earth is a TRUE Christian. |
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| Subnormal wrote: | | What other things does the bible command christians to do, that we all know they don't? |
I dunno. One thing it certainly doesn't command is a wooden, literal interpretation that you're espousing here, though.
Since when has fundamentalism become Christianity in total? And since when has the No True Scotsman fallacy become so popular amongst atheists?
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: Not a single person on this earth is a TRUE Christian. |
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| Philosophos wrote: | | Subnormal wrote: | | What other things does the bible command christians to do, that we all know they don't? |
I dunno. One thing it certainly doesn't command is a wooden, literal interpretation that you're espousing here, though.
Since when has fundamentalism become Christianity in total? And since when has the No True Scotsman fallacy become so popular amongst atheists? |
since christians claim to follow the bible... and then DON'T follow the bible.
its not a complicated concept.
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Philosophos
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A Christian is someone who believes that Jesus Christ was the son of God, who died for the sins of mankind. Nowhere in that definition is "claiming to 'follow' (whatever that means) The Bible." Hence: No True Scotsman.
It's not a complicated concept.
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| Philosophos wrote: | A Christian is someone who believes that Jesus Christ was the son of God, who died for the sins of mankind. Nowhere in that definition is "claiming to 'follow' (whatever that means) The Bible." Hence: No True Scotsman.
It's not a complicated concept. |
But that's hardly Biblical.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 5:12 pm Post subject: Re: Not a single person on this earth is a TRUE Christian. |
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| Philosophos wrote: | | Since when has fundamentalism become Christianity in total? And since when has the No True Scotsman fallacy become so popular amongst atheists? |
I think the NTS fallacy, if it in fact exists, has been thrust upon atheists. The Christians laid the foundation for NTS by exclaiming that every act by a Christian they don't want to be tarnished by to be perpetrated by No True Christian TM. The charge of NTS fallacy is a convenient rebut whenever an atheist asks why a Christian does not murder his children or some other act as instructed by the bible and, again if it does truly exist, is the unavoidable offspring of No True Christian.
It is both misleading and confusing when Christians point at one passage as the One True Word TM to be followed to the letter, but then point to the next as anecdotal and open to interpretation. Perhaps if it was better explained...is the bible completely the word of God, kind of the word of God, or a few words of God sprinkled in among tall tales?...then atheists would know how to better address the Christian view of things.
Allowing Christians to change the rules as they go puts the atheist viewpoint at a competitive disadvantage and opens them to fallacy charges.
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| Philosophos wrote: | A Christian is someone who believes that Jesus Christ was the son of God, who died for the sins of mankind. Nowhere in that definition is "claiming to 'follow' (whatever that means) The Bible." Hence: No True Scotsman.
It's not a complicated concept. |
But do not most Christians hold the bible to be a holy book? Isn't the bible pretty much part of the uniform by default?
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According to some doctrine not everything in the OT is supposed to be valid anymore. Or was never supposed to be meant for non-jews. Early Christians didn't particulalry like the OT. The Catholic Church has a very different relationship with the OT than your Southern Baptist. The idea that Scripture alone is to be obeyed is a somewhat recent notion in Christianity. What is a true Christian? Well there are some shared notions but there are also huge differences. Even adherence to the Nicean crede seems to be debatable.
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Philosophos
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| FlatEarth1024 wrote: | | But do not most Christians hold the bible to be a holy book? Isn't the bible pretty much part of the uniform by default? |
Sure - although what the significance of the "holy book" varies greatly amongst the sects. But a strict interpretation and following of the Bible is only taken to be necessary among a small portion of Christians. So, if this is what is meant by "following" the Bible, then it's pretty off the mark. But if respect or some sort of reverence for the Bible's all that's meant, then I'd concede the point.
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| Sal1981 wrote: | | Philosophos wrote: | A Christian is someone who believes that Jesus Christ was the son of God, who died for the sins of mankind. Nowhere in that definition is "claiming to 'follow' (whatever that means) The Bible." Hence: No True Scotsman.
It's not a complicated concept. |
But that's hardly Biblical. |
Can you derive sola scriptura from scripture alone? I've not seen it done well.
Besides: what's the lexical definition of English words have to do with The Bible?
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| Gerard wrote: | | According to some doctrine not everything in the OT is supposed to be valid anymore. Or was never supposed to be meant for non-jews. |
Of course - e.g. The Council of Jerusalem in Acts.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 5:41 pm Post subject: Re: Not a single person on this earth is a TRUE Christian. |
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| Philosophos wrote: | | I dunno. One thing it certainly doesn't command is a wooden, literal interpretation that you're espousing here, though. |
Err.. actually I think I vaguely remember a verse that says to understand the bible literally or burn in hell or some such...
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Philosophos
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 5:44 pm Post subject: Re: Not a single person on this earth is a TRUE Christian. |
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| Ivan_Ivanov wrote: | | Philosophos wrote: | | I dunno. One thing it certainly doesn't command is a wooden, literal interpretation that you're espousing here, though. |
Err.. actually I think I vaguely remember a verse that says to understand the bible literally or burn in hell or some such... |
Mmm... I'll need a little more to go on than that. 
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| Philosophos wrote: | | Sal1981 wrote: | | Philosophos wrote: | A Christian is someone who believes that Jesus Christ was the son of God, who died for the sins of mankind. Nowhere in that definition is "claiming to 'follow' (whatever that means) The Bible." Hence: No True Scotsman.
It's not a complicated concept. |
But that's hardly Biblical. |
Can you derive sola scriptura from scripture alone? I've not seen it done well. |
It's impossible to be solely scriptural (literalism) because of the inherent contradictions. But that doesn't stop Christians from basing an interpretation directly from the Bible, which is quite extensive. What you're stating is a core belief, not the total belief. Obviously there are a wide range of interpretations, in part due to ambiguity and contradiction. Again, it's based on parts of the Bible.
The No True Scotsman fallacy comes in when people try to shoehorn different interpretations into one "larger" ... I blame their cherry-picking.
| Philosophos wrote: | | Besides: what's the lexical definition of English words have to do with The Bible? |
What? I don't follow.
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