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LionHeart
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| Carico wrote: | | ...It's so ironic that atheists always ask for extraordinary evidence, but it's precisely extraordinary evidence that they don't believe. |
Because, as I have said many times (across several threads now...) the evidence contradicts itself. It is self-defeating, therefore it is negated.
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Moloth
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| ColinTB wrote: | Moloth,
this is the first time that i think you are misinformed.
most christians do not think God wrote the Bible.
i know some do...but most do not.
the ones that do obviously cannot read.
i know the bible has mistakes and such...but for me that is expected...just as typos or plot holes are expected in any book
but im still a believer...so what do i know huh....i know im gonna get flamed for this |
so.. you don't think had anything to do with writing the Bible and you don;t think most Christians do either?
if the Bible isn't divine or holy.. WHY FOLLOW IT?
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ColinTB
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Moloth, didnt say he didnt have anything to do with it
i just said that he didnt write it...
and Paranoia...stop talking...youre statement doesnt add anything to the discussion
Yes it was divinely inspired...and yes God can't make mistakes...but the people that were inspired to write the books of the bible can make mistakes
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LionHeart
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| ColinTB wrote: | Moloth, didnt say he didnt have anything to do with it
i just said that he didnt write it...
and Paranoia...stop talking...youre statement doesnt add anything to the discussion
Yes it was divinely inspired...and yes God can't make mistakes...but the people that were inspired to write the books of the bible can make mistakes |
Then how are we to know fact from falsehood? How do we know what's a mistake and what's not? This is the downfall of the Bible.
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ColinTB
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i only trust the historical accounts of Jesus Christ
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redraiderdude187
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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| ColinTB wrote: | | i only trust the historical accounts of Jesus Christ |
I would absolutely LOVE to see these... historical... accounts of Jesus. *hoping you don't say Josephus*
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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Really, is there anything historical in the bible?
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ColinTB
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There isnt very much that is historical in the bible
a lot of people dont know that moses was a poet...not a historian
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Moloth
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| ColinTB wrote: | Moloth, didnt say he didnt have anything to do with it
i just said that he didnt write it...
and Paranoia...stop talking...youre statement doesnt add anything to the discussion
Yes it was divinely inspired...and yes God can't make mistakes...but the people that were inspired to write the books of the bible can make mistakes |
if he wanted something, he could have done what was necessary to get the book written perfectly. hes GOD, right? If he's perfect, omnipotent and omniscient, he would have known what to do to get the book written how he wanted and also had the power to do so... EVEN WITH humans (which he, himself, created) being the intermediary.
What you're saying doesn't make sense... you're saying that Man is more powerful than god and is able to mess up things god wants, intends or plans.
if thats the case, he;s not much of a god, if he can be thwarted by some guy with quill and ink.
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Paranoia21
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| ColinTB wrote: | and Paranoia...stop talking...youre statement doesnt add anything to the discussion
Yes it was divinely inspired...and yes God can't make mistakes...but the people that were inspired to write the books of the bible can make mistakes |
Not as long as there are confused people on the face of this earth...
Could he not have written the book himself? Could he not have just placed it on the earth and let humans find it?
(Good response Moloth)
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If god put his faith in man to write the book, knowing there would be errors then that itself is a mistake.
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| Nimitz wrote: | Troll said:
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We got a real fucking idiot here. |
You don't know the half of it. I can say the name "Carico" to any one of two dozen people and cause them to flop into the fetal position covering their heads and rocking back and forth muttering 'safe place....safe place...safe place...'.
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God inspired me to cook supper last night, but I did it wrong. That God...he's such a fuck-up.
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| Moloth wrote: | 1. to be a Christian, you must believe that Jesus is the Son of God.
2. the means by which this information is gained is the Bible.. |
Hi Moloth,
this is the problem with fundamentalist evengelicals in the USA< the give people a wrong impression of what the vast majority of Christians believe.
For example, no Catholic or Orthodox (And that is about 95% of Christianity) would agree with you that the Bible is the means that the information is gained.
Catholicism and all branches of Orthodoxy would deny this. It is the Church that teaches people Jesus is God, that is why the Church wrte the the New Trstament. The Bible could disapper tomorrow, but the Church would still be taching Jesus is God and bearing witness to the faith that was passed on by the Apostles in Apostolic succession through the scriptures.
For example, Catholics woud claim Jesus did not order his apostles to go out and write a book, he ordered them to go and preach all that he had taught them. The Church is still doing that and that is why the Church (Christianity) is the originator of the New Testament, and not the New Testament the originator of the Church (Chrisanity).
Many early Church fathers, St Augustine for example, thought part of the Bible were figurative/stories/metaphors to express God's message. St Augustine for example would laugh at the idea that the first few chapters of Genecis must be taken literally. He did not think it was necessary, and he is a Doctor of the Church!
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Moloth
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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then we're just getting into interpretation of the bible, aren't we?
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