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Moloth
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 Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:33 am Post subject: Re: Not a single person on this earth is a TRUE Christian. |
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| 3kixintehead wrote: | | Subnormal wrote: | If you were, you would follow everything the bible said, you would not plan for the future because you would believe with your entire heart and soul that jesus is over a thousand years late and should be arriving any minute now. You would also be able to drink poison without being harmed. You would kill homosexuals in the name of Jesus. You would give away your worldly possessions and help the poor. The church you go to would not be adorned with gold, nor would the decorative windows cost thousands of dollars. You would pray in SECRET and not OPENLY.
What other things does the bible command christians to do, that we all know they don't? Doesn't it say something about hating your mother and father? |
Oh dear, you take the Bible even more literally than many fundamentalists I know.  |
is that a criticism of Subnormal, or of the hypocritical Fundies you know?
keep mind, Subnormal is only reading what the Bible says.. he doesn't actually BELIEVE it.
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josephpalazzo
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:02 am Post subject: Re: Not a single person on this earth is a TRUE Christian. |
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| 3kixintehead wrote: | | Subnormal wrote: | If you were, you would follow everything the bible said, you would not plan for the future because you would believe with your entire heart and soul that jesus is over a thousand years late and should be arriving any minute now. You would also be able to drink poison without being harmed. You would kill homosexuals in the name of Jesus. You would give away your worldly possessions and help the poor. The church you go to would not be adorned with gold, nor would the decorative windows cost thousands of dollars. You would pray in SECRET and not OPENLY.
What other things does the bible command christians to do, that we all know they don't? Doesn't it say something about hating your mother and father? |
Oh dear, you take the Bible even more literally than many fundamentalists I know. |
Sarcasm is not your forte... |
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3kixintehead
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:25 am Post subject: Re: Not a single person on this earth is a TRUE Christian. |
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| josephpalazzo wrote: | | 3kixintehead wrote: | | Subnormal wrote: | If you were, you would follow everything the bible said, you would not plan for the future because you would believe with your entire heart and soul that jesus is over a thousand years late and should be arriving any minute now. You would also be able to drink poison without being harmed. You would kill homosexuals in the name of Jesus. You would give away your worldly possessions and help the poor. The church you go to would not be adorned with gold, nor would the decorative windows cost thousands of dollars. You would pray in SECRET and not OPENLY.
What other things does the bible command christians to do, that we all know they don't? Doesn't it say something about hating your mother and father? |
Oh dear, you take the Bible even more literally than many fundamentalists I know. |
Sarcasm is not your forte... |
Sarcasm? I was not being sarcastic. I sincerely wish that all people (atheists and fundies included) would realize the difference between the people who wrote the Bible and people nowadays. Its especially annoying when people assume that all Christians follow the Bible down to the word 100% literally or that they should. Realizing the change in culture between now and then is mandatory if you want a healthy understanding of the Bible. So, Moloth, it is a criticism of both Subnormal and the fundamentalists I know. I am criticizing the fact that they both take the Bible far to literally and without realizing that many things in the Bible were written by man and therefore reflect the culture of the times. |
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Moloth
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:30 am Post subject: Re: Not a single person on this earth is a TRUE Christian. |
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| 3kixintehead wrote: |
Sarcasm? I was not being sarcastic. I sincerely wish that all people (atheists and fundies included) would realize the difference between the people who wrote the Bible and people nowadays. Its especially annoying when people assume that all Christians follow the Bible down to the word 100% literally or that they should. Realizing the change in culture between now and then is mandatory if you want a healthy understanding of the Bible. So, Moloth, it is a criticism of both Subnormal and the fundamentalists I know. I am criticizing the fact that they both take the Bible far to literally and without realizing that many things in the Bible were written by man and therefore reflect the culture of the times. |
several problems here:
1. the Bible was (according to their own religion and what they are supposed to believe) written by their omni-max, perfect deity.
2. clearly, the Bible is NOT perfect, divine or even sensical in most ways.
3. We are merely pointing out that bible-followers are ignorant, hypocritical, and/or full of cognitive dissonance.
If the Bible IS the Word of God, it should be perfect and timeless.
If it is NOT perfect and timeless, then it is NOT the word of God and should NOT be followed.
the whole point is, no matter which way one looks at it, following the bible is logically untenable. THAT is what we're saying.
you're either cherry-picking (which is a tacit admission that the Bible is not divine) or you're a baby-stoning, fag-bashing, non-lobster eating, immoral Fundy literalist.
Either way, its bullshit.
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josephpalazzo
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:07 am Post subject: Re: Not a single person on this earth is a TRUE Christian. |
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| 3kixintehead wrote: | Realizing the change in culture between now and then is mandatory if you want a healthy understanding of the Bible.
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Which book and verse of the Bible would anyone find this wisest of advices, O Great One? |
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3kixintehead
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| josephpalazzo wrote: | One question pops up in my head: Who defines whom?
Who defines who is a true christian?
Who defines who is a theist?
Who defines who is an atheist?... |
You can only define those terms yourself, by your own beliefs. Anywhere you read a definition it is a broad stereotype at best.
I rarely fit any Christian definitions because most of them are rediculous or too dogmatic/orthodox.
| Quote: | 1. the Bible was (according to their own religion and what they are supposed to believe) written by their omni-max, perfect deity.
2. clearly, the Bible is NOT perfect, divine or even sensical in most ways.
3. We are merely pointing out that bible-followers are ignorant, hypocritical, and/or full of cognitive dissonance.
If the Bible IS the Word of God, it should be perfect and timeless.
If it is NOT perfect and timeless, then it is NOT the word of God and should NOT be followed. |
1. So said by some, not all Christians. There are those who are more progressive in their thought. They write great books but unfortunately don't usually cause a great amount of much-needed change in religion.
2. I would disagree with you on the divine part and there are many stories in the Bible that have great moral points. There is a good deal of biography and history in the Bible too. Surely you don't consider all that nonsensical? I certainly would agree with anyone who says that the Bible is/was not inerrant, infallible or written by God. That's obvious, and Christians today are unfortunately so stuck on believing the opposite that it tears their faith apart when they finally realize that they were wrong. At the same time, not admitting that the Bible is (what I said above) is an intellectual barrier to those who actually seek faith in God.
3. I would replace Bible-followers with the word fundamentalist. Then I agree completely. However your reasoning in the next sentence is too absolutist. Your either on one side or the other. There are more than two sides.
| Quote: | | Which book and verse of the Bible would anyone find this wisest of advices, O Great One? |
From my mind. It seems rather obvious, no? |
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After Moses and the Israelites fled the slavery of Egypt, they wandered the desert. God provided the travelers with food to eat (manna) and water to drink. After long months Moses brought his followers to the foot of a mountain called Sinai. Though the desert was dry and bare, the mountain was lush and green, covered with grass, flowers and trees. Moses and the Israelites set up camp at the base of the mountain.
On the third day of the Hebrew month of Sivan, Moses was commanded by God to prepare the Jewish people for God's descent and visit. The Israelites washed and purified their clothes and their bodies. Three days later, on the sixth day of Sivan, the people were awaken by thunder and lightning. Thick, dark clouds hung over the mountain. The sounds of the Shofar, the ram's horn, were heard echoing across the desert. The earth began to tremble and shake.
Then the Israelites heard a voice, God's voice, as he spoke to them from out of the clouds. And God gave them his Ten Commandments*
ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me. It's not good for business.'
TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Of course...30 foot high crosses on top of cathedrals and plaster of Paris Jesuses floating over church altars are cool!'
THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain...unless you stub your toe on the dresser, in which case it is acceptable to yell "Holy Fuck My Christ!!!"'
FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy...unless you have to work overtime, as long as thou makest time and a half.'
FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother unless they are not religious maniacs. In that case, feel free to run away and join the sect/cult of your choice.'
SIX: 'You shall not murder, except in service of the lord, in which case it is mandatory.'
SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery with females or manchild over puberty age.'
EIGHT: 'You shall not steal. No, in this line of work we call it tithing! People actually throw money at you!'
NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor unless you suspect him of homosexuality or his daughter becomes pregnant. In that case, feel free to run them out of town on a rail..'
TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's. Goddamn right. Don't be muscling in on my turf, pal. Go find your own pigeons to pluck!'
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 Why do some Christians raise such a fuss over other people not obeying the same commandments that they, themselves, ignore?
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:27 pm Post subject: Re: Not a single person on this earth is a TRUE Christian. |
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| Subnormal wrote: | If you were, you would follow everything the bible said, you would not plan for the future because you would believe with your entire heart and soul that jesus is over a thousand years late and should be arriving any minute now. You would also be able to drink poison without being harmed. You would kill homosexuals in the name of Jesus. You would give away your worldly possessions and help the poor. The church you go to would not be adorned with gold, nor would the decorative windows cost thousands of dollars. You would pray in SECRET and not OPENLY.
What other things does the bible command christians to do, that we all know they don't? Doesn't it say something about hating your mother and father? |
This again shows that most atheists don't know what being a Christian means. Being a Christian doesn't mean that we will be as perfect as God is or we would all be gods ourselves. It means that we have been born again of the Holy Spirit and Christ now leads us into the truth. |
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| Being a xian means believing in fairy tales. |
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| Nimitz wrote: | | Being a xian means believing in fairy tales. |
You mean fairy tales like claiming that monkeys can breed human descendants? No, the bible describes reality, not the imagination.
It's so ironic that atheists always ask for extraordinary evidence, but it's precisely extraordinary evidence that they don't believe. |
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| Quote: | | You mean fairy tales like claiming that monkeys can breed human descendants? |
We got a real fucking idiot here. |
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| Carico wrote: | | Nimitz wrote: | | Being a xian means believing in fairy tales. |
You mean fairy tales like claiming that monkeys can breed human descendants? No, the bible describes reality, not the imagination.
It's so ironic that atheists always ask for extraordinary evidence, but it's precisely extraordinary evidence that they don't believe. |
And what brought you to believe that the bible is truth? Did Gawd speak to you? We want REAL evidence, not a book written 5,000 years ago by stoned nomads.
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Moloth,
this is the first time that i think you are misinformed.
most christians do not think God wrote the Bible.
i know some do...but most do not.
the ones that do obviously cannot read.
i know the bible has mistakes and such...but for me that is expected...just as typos or plot holes are expected in any book
but im still a believer...so what do i know huh....i know im gonna get flamed for this
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Mistakes? But it was inspired by God, right? I thought God can't make mistakes.
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