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 Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:25 pm Post subject: Re: Not a single person on this earth is a TRUE Christian. |
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| josephpalazzo wrote: | | 3kixintehead wrote: | Realizing the change in culture between now and then is mandatory if you want a healthy understanding of the Bible.
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Which book and verse of the Bible would anyone find this wisest of advices, O Great One? |
1 Corinthains 13, for beauty of language, and sentiment, it is unbeatable.
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| ColinTB wrote: | There isnt very much that is historical in the bible
a lot of people dont know that moses was a poet...not a historian |
I sympathise with your view just do not see any value in it.
People also forget that writing history 'in the sense of only writing an historical factual record of what happened and what as said" and nothing more, is a fairly modern idea.
There is little history in the Bible, because the very idea of writing history had not been thought of. People preferred to think in large world views, and so would wriote myth. Take the greeks, Did prometheus really steel fire from the God's? Or was this a symbolic way of saying that human knowledge has value, and is just as important as the knowledge that come from the gods.
For the ancients it did not matter. The idea of asking is this literally true, would not have occurred to them. It is we who are stuck on the idea that things must be literal - now I am glad we are, it makes describing the world far easier, but at the same time if we apply this same yardstick to the ancient world, we are applying a yardstick that did not exist back then.
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| Moloth wrote: | | then we're just getting into interpretation of the bible, aren't we? |
For protestants, yes, but not for catholics and orthodox. For catholics and orthodox, it is the Church that is the pillar and foundation of the truth, not the Bible. Or to quote Jesus , who attacked the Pharisees by saying "You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life." ie, he was attacking the idea that the written word was the most important (at least in this particular text), rather then the living word. For exampe, throughout the New Testament Jesus changed the law of Moses. Again and again he says throughout the gospels "Moses said, but I say."
For both these Christians traditions, it is who interprets that gives it authority, but that authority does not come from the Bible, and if it had too, it could exist without it.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 8:23 pm Post subject: Re: Not a single person on this earth is a TRUE Christian. |
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| nogods wrote: | | josephpalazzo wrote: | | 3kixintehead wrote: | Realizing the change in culture between now and then is mandatory if you want a healthy understanding of the Bible.
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Which book and verse of the Bible would anyone find this wisest of advices, O Great One? |
1 Corinthains 13, for beauty of language, and sentiment, it is unbeatable.
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Love is patient. Love is kind...
A lot of these theist trolls that invade our peaceful board could learn a lot from 1st Corinthians 13. Specifically the first 2 verses. |
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Moloth
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| nogods wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | | then we're just getting into interpretation of the bible, aren't we? |
For protestants, yes, but not for catholics and orthodox. For catholics and orthodox, it is the Church that is the pillar and foundation of the truth, not the Bible. Or to quote Jesus , who attacked the Pharisees by saying "You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life." ie, he was attacking the idea that the written word was the most important (at least in this particular text), rather then the living word. For exampe, throughout the New Testament Jesus changed the law of Moses. Again and again he says throughout the gospels "Moses said, but I say."
For both these Christians traditions, it is who interprets that gives it authority, but that authority does not come from the Bible, and if it had too, it could exist without it.
nogods |
i'd like to be able to test that theory.
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