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From the same sight...
Looks like 25,000 million metric tons per year as of 2002. It seems reasonable that would have a rather large affect on atmospheric levels.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:04 am Post subject: |
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Again from the EPA
| Quote: | Natural Sources and Sinks of Carbon Dioxide
Greenhouse gases occur naturally in the Earth’s atmosphere in addition to being emitted through human activities. This natural “carbon cycle” includes carbon dioxide used in plants during photosynthesis and the exchange of carbon dioxide between the atmosphere and the oceans.
The primary natural processes that release CO2 into the atmosphere (sources) and that remove CO2 from the atmosphere (sinks) are:
Animal and plant respiration, by which oxygen and nutrients are converted into CO2 and energy, and plant photosynthesis by which CO2 is removed from the atmosphere and stored as carbon in plant biomass;
Ocean-atmosphere exchange, in which the oceans absorb and release CO2 at the sea surface; and
Volcanic eruptions, which release carbon from rocks deep in the Earth’s crust (this source is very small). |
I don't see anything here that would account for a 35 percent increase, do you?
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:18 am Post subject: |
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I don't know if you consider Nasa scientists to be credible or not, but this is a snip of what they have to say.
| Nasa wrote: | Over the last five years, 600 scientists from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change sifted through thousands of studies about global warming published in forums ranging from scientific journals to industry publications and distilled the world’s accumulated knowledge into this conclusion: “Warming of the climate system is unequivocal.”
Far from being some future fear, global warming is happening now, and scientists have evidence that humans are to blame. For decades, cars and factories have spewed billions of tons of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, and these gases caused temperatures to rise between 0.6°C and 0.9°C (1.08°F to 1.62°F) over the past century. The rate of warming in the last 50 years was double the rate observed over the last 100 years. Temperatures are certain to go up further. |
Read the entire article here
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 6:33 am Post subject: |
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| munky99999 wrote: | How odd...
Considering the fact that Ice melting takes up less space. Meaning that if water levels are rising... it means that ice caps are actually getting larger rather then melting. |
When it's on the ocean, Ice is buoyant. You don't even understand the properties of an ice cube, and your trying to have a scientific debate.
| Quote: | | Oh hell Lake Erie is the great lake which is closest to where I live and we are actually seeing the water levels of lake erie and other great lakes are actually decreasing quite alot. |
The Great Lakes are ABOVE SEA LEVAL. That is why they are LAKES, and not seas. Do you understand? Water flows downwards? |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 6:56 am Post subject: |
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You do realize that 90% + of iceburgs are underwater, correct? Its not just a ice-mountain on top, flat on the bottom. I take it boats are buoyant, thus they have no displacement also?
Lakes can be bellow sea level, there is a pond right near the coast in Corpus Cristi, but we dont call it "Quency Ocean", we call it "Quency Creek"...
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cheapsuprise
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:04 am Post subject: |
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| Shiranu wrote: | | You do realize that 90% + of iceburgs are underwater, correct? |
No. Do you realise that most of the ice that normally covers the arctic is not mountainous.
| Quote: | | Its not just a ice-mountain on top, flat on the bottom. |
No it's an ice mountain ON TOP, and the rest below... IOW... Part of it is ABOVE the water. A "mountains" worth.
Think things through Vanilly.
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| Shiranu wrote: | | Lakes can be bellow sea level, there is a pond right near the coast in Corpus Cristi, but we dont call it "Quency Ocean", we call it "Quency Creek"... |
So why do you think this lake is not full of salt water, even though it is below sea level?... Think about it carefully. This is an intelligence test. |
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Shiranu
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| cheapsuprise wrote: | | Shiranu wrote: | | You do realize that 90% + of iceburgs are underwater, correct? |
No. Do you realise that most of the ice that normally covers the arctic is not mountainous.
| Quote: | | Its not just a ice-mountain on top, flat on the bottom. |
No it's an ice mountain ON TOP, and the rest below... IOW... Part of is is ABOVE the water. A "mountains" worth.
Think things through Vanilly. |
1. "No, they are not mountainious"... "No, they are mountains"... consistance... not one of your strong points, is it?
2. The fact that I realize or dont realize that an iceburg is mountainous is completely irelevant to the under-water status of an iceburg, which is almost all of said iceburg. Only the very tip emerges from the water.
3. Your second part also made no point, so I will try to explain this agian, with out the mountain references (merely used because that is the sterotypical icebeurg.
The iceburg is a gaint chunk of ice. We can see only the top of it. However, this top makes up a very small percentage of said iceburg. The majority of it is bellow the water, out of our vision. It is not just "floating" around, looking cool, with a minimal amount submerged and what not... the under-water sections on these things can be HUGE.
Now, as you can see, the top is smaller than the bottom by a rather sizeable amount. And these are only small iceburgs. Some can be up to the size of some of the small states, and thus would have even larger bottoms. Said bottoms displace alot of water.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:16 am Post subject: |
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| MockingGods wrote: | I don't know if you consider Nasa scientists to be credible or not, but this is a snip of what they have to say.
| Nasa wrote: | Over the last five years, 600 scientists from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change sifted through thousands of studies about global warming published in forums ranging from scientific journals to industry publications and distilled the world’s accumulated knowledge into this conclusion: “Warming of the climate system is unequivocal.”
Far from being some future fear, global warming is happening now, and scientists have evidence that humans are to blame. For decades, cars and factories have spewed billions of tons of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, and these gases caused temperatures to rise between 0.6°C and 0.9°C (1.08°F to 1.62°F) over the past century. The rate of warming in the last 50 years was double the rate observed over the last 100 years. Temperatures are certain to go up further. |
Read the entire article here |
What? NASA?? The same people who put humans on the moon, regularly send probes to Mars, studies the Earth's magnetosphere, and I'll skip the rest, what do they know about science??? 
http://www.nasa.gov/missions/current/index.html |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:19 am Post subject: |
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| BTW, thanks to the nutjobs for getting this important thread sent to ETD... |
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| Shiranu wrote: | | cheapsuprise wrote: | | Shiranu wrote: | | You do realize that 90% + of iceburgs are underwater, correct? |
No. Do you realise that most of the ice that normally covers the arctic is not mountainous.
| Quote: | | Its not just a ice-mountain on top, flat on the bottom. |
No it's an ice mountain ON TOP, and the rest below... IOW... Part of is is ABOVE the water. A "mountains" worth.
Think things through Vanilly. |
1. "No, they are not mountainious"... "No, they are mountains"... |
No. The majority of the ice is not mountainous. AND ALSO, the "ice mountain" as you put it, is a "mountain's worth" as I put it. Part of it is above the water.
| Quote: | consistance... not one of your strong points, is it?
2. The fact that I realize or dont realize that an iceburg is mountainous is completely irelevant to the under-water status of an iceburg, which is almost all of said iceburg. Only the very tip emerges from the water.
3. Your second part also made no point, so I will try to explain this agian, with out the mountain references (merely used because that is the sterotypical icebeurg. |
Learn to read.
| Quote: | | Now, as you can see, the top is smaller than the bottom by a rather sizeable amount. And these are only small iceburgs. Some can be up to the size of some of the small states, and thus would have even larger bottoms. |
And where will the TOPS of these ice bergs (that part that was previously not IN the ocean) go when they completely melt? Into a parallel dimension? |
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Shiranu
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:03 am Post subject: |
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They go back to a water form, and increase the oceans size. What is hard to understand about that?
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:16 am Post subject: |
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| ice around the north pole are mostly ice sheets; not ice bergs. the ice we see this year is 1 year ice and may in fact melt faster then any other ice that was there previously. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:38 am Post subject: |
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I don't know how this came up again, but a melted iceberg does not add to the volume of the ocean. An ice burg displaces its weight in water.
When it is in water form, it takes up a certain amount of room, and is all below surface. When it is in ice form, it takes up more room, but it weighs the same amount, so it pushes aside the same amount of water, what it doesn't have the weight to push aside, sticks out at the surface.
It is only landlocked ice that adds to the ocean when it melts.
Hey, and what's with Enter The Darkness...? There was only one poster I noticed getting out of line.
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