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Nietzsche - Atheist is a religion.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:07 pm    Post subject: Nietzsche - Atheist is a religion. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I was chatting with my girlfriend about Nietzsche the other night and she mentioned that he believed atheism to be a religion as it requires something to be sacraficed i.e. the belief in God and an afterlife (one presumes).

Anybody else encountered this way of defining religion? And what's the counter argument?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Nietzsche - Atheist is a religion. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

bassmagic wrote:
I was chatting with my girlfriend about Nietzsche the other night and she mentioned that he believed atheism to be a religion as it requires something to be sacraficed i.e. the belief in God and an afterlife (one presumes).

Anybody else encountered this way of defining religion? And what's the counter argument?


If the belief in God and after life is just wishful thinking, then atheism would be the sacrificing of that wishful thinking. But to me, it's more like sobering up after a bad drinking round...
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Nietzsche - Atheist is a religion. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

josephpalazzo wrote:
bassmagic wrote:
I was chatting with my girlfriend about Nietzsche the other night and she mentioned that he believed atheism to be a religion as it requires something to be sacraficed i.e. the belief in God and an afterlife (one presumes).

Anybody else encountered this way of defining religion? And what's the counter argument?


If the belief in God and after life is just wishful thinking, then atheism would be the sacrificing of that wishful thinking. But to me, it's more like sobering up after a bad drinking round...


consider that this is how any one who converts in to an alternative religion from another feels as well. You may have more in common with ex-christian muslims than you think.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Nietzsche - Atheist is a religion. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Tormentor wrote:
josephpalazzo wrote:
bassmagic wrote:
I was chatting with my girlfriend about Nietzsche the other night and she mentioned that he believed atheism to be a religion as it requires something to be sacraficed i.e. the belief in God and an afterlife (one presumes).

Anybody else encountered this way of defining religion? And what's the counter argument?


If the belief in God and after life is just wishful thinking, then atheism would be the sacrificing of that wishful thinking. But to me, it's more like sobering up after a bad drinking round...


consider that this is how any one who converts in to an alternative religion from another feels as well. You may have more in common with ex-christian muslims than you think.


That IS a sobering thought... LOL.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:14 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

somewhat akin to Philosophy 101, it a tree falls etc.

If religion in part is to ask a sacrifice, but the sacrifice does not really need to be done, does the sacrifice have any meaning?

From the prophet end, the lion in the Narnia story, how can you be considered to have sacrificed yourself when all along you knew you were coming back to life?

Apply the same thought to Jesus. More like a fraud to me. IF a god exists, jesus didn't sacrifice a damn thing.

Atheism does not sacrifice anything except time spent in superstitious congregations mutually masterbating the menial minds of the minions.

OF course we do end up sacrificing time to spend in a cyber-world forum board screaming profanities at believers and anyone else who walk within shouting distance.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:17 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

aitm wrote:
somewhat akin to Philosophy 101, it a tree falls etc.

If religion in part is to ask a sacrifice, but the sacrifice does not really need to be done, does the sacrifice have any meaning?

From the prophet end, the lion in the Narnia story, how can you be considered to have sacrificed yourself when all along you knew you were coming back to life?

Apply the same thought to Jesus. More like a fraud to me. IF a god exists, jesus didn't sacrifice a damn thing.

Atheism does not sacrifice anything except time spent in superstitious congregations mutually masterbating the menial minds of the minions.

OF course we do end up sacrificing time to spend in a cyber-world forum board screaming profanities at believers and anyone else who walk within shouting distance.


Not exactly true, I scream profanities at believers AND non-believers... Ok, I'm being picky...
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 5:37 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

atheism is not a religion or a belief its merely the lack of it

theist- person believing in one or many gods

the OPPOSITE

atheist- one believing in no superior being.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 5:39 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Hit_me_up024 wrote:
atheism is not a religion or a belief its merely the lack of it

theist- person believing in one
polytheist- or many gods

the OPPOSITE

atheist- one believing in no superior being.


Fixed.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 9:10 am    Post subject: Re: Nietzsche - Atheist is a religion. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

bassmagic wrote:
I was chatting with my girlfriend about Nietzsche the other night and she mentioned that he believed atheism to be a religion as it requires something to be sacraficed i.e. the belief in God and an afterlife (one presumes).

Anybody else encountered this way of defining religion? And what's the counter argument?


If you never expected it in the first place, It isn't a sacrifice.

You are giving up no less than the theists. They ain't gettin it either!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 9:38 am    Post subject: Re: Nietzsche - Atheist is a religion. Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

bassmagic wrote:
I was chatting with my girlfriend about Nietzsche the other night and she mentioned that he believed atheism to be a religion as it requires something to be sacraficed i.e. the belief in God and an afterlife (one presumes).

Anybody else encountered this way of defining religion? And what's the counter argument?


Where exactly did Fred say that?
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Email her this.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:03 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Dawkadoodle wrote:
Hit_me_up024 wrote:
atheism is not a religion or a belief its merely the lack of it

MONOtheist- person believing in one
polytheist- or many gods

the OPPOSITE

atheist- one believing in no superior being.


Fixed.


Double fixed.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:03 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Actually, Nietzsche said that religion is nihilistic sickness. The man wrote a book called "The Antichrist." If he thinks you're sacrificing anything by turning atheist, he thinks you're sacrificing sickness. According to him, that spiritual sickness is the only absolute evil, with the will to power being the only absolute good.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:23 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Tormentor wrote:
Dawkadoodle wrote:
Hit_me_up024 wrote:
atheism is not a religion or a belief its merely the lack of it

MONOtheist- person believing in one
polytheist- or many gods

the OPPOSITE

atheist- one believing in no superior being.


Fixed.


Double fixed.


That's not a fix, idiot. Can't you read? You've entirely changed the message. A Monotheist cannot believe in one or many gods, which if read correctly, your statement asserts. Thus, you have to leave the statement just "Theist." which is why wasn't changed in the first place and your fix broke the damn statement, retard.
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