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bassmagic Forum Plebian


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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:07 pm Post subject: Nietzsche - Atheist is a religion. |
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I was chatting with my girlfriend about Nietzsche the other night and she mentioned that he believed atheism to be a religion as it requires something to be sacraficed i.e. the belief in God and an afterlife (one presumes).
Anybody else encountered this way of defining religion? And what's the counter argument? |
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josephpalazzo Illusion Master

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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:13 pm Post subject: Re: Nietzsche - Atheist is a religion. |
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| bassmagic wrote: | I was chatting with my girlfriend about Nietzsche the other night and she mentioned that he believed atheism to be a religion as it requires something to be sacraficed i.e. the belief in God and an afterlife (one presumes).
Anybody else encountered this way of defining religion? And what's the counter argument? |
If the belief in God and after life is just wishful thinking, then atheism would be the sacrificing of that wishful thinking. But to me, it's more like sobering up after a bad drinking round... |
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Tormentor Royal Citizen


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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:57 pm Post subject: Re: Nietzsche - Atheist is a religion. |
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| josephpalazzo wrote: | | bassmagic wrote: | I was chatting with my girlfriend about Nietzsche the other night and she mentioned that he believed atheism to be a religion as it requires something to be sacraficed i.e. the belief in God and an afterlife (one presumes).
Anybody else encountered this way of defining religion? And what's the counter argument? |
If the belief in God and after life is just wishful thinking, then atheism would be the sacrificing of that wishful thinking. But to me, it's more like sobering up after a bad drinking round... |
consider that this is how any one who converts in to an alternative religion from another feels as well. You may have more in common with ex-christian muslims than you think. |
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josephpalazzo Illusion Master

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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:14 pm Post subject: Re: Nietzsche - Atheist is a religion. |
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| Tormentor wrote: | | josephpalazzo wrote: | | bassmagic wrote: | I was chatting with my girlfriend about Nietzsche the other night and she mentioned that he believed atheism to be a religion as it requires something to be sacraficed i.e. the belief in God and an afterlife (one presumes).
Anybody else encountered this way of defining religion? And what's the counter argument? |
If the belief in God and after life is just wishful thinking, then atheism would be the sacrificing of that wishful thinking. But to me, it's more like sobering up after a bad drinking round... |
consider that this is how any one who converts in to an alternative religion from another feels as well. You may have more in common with ex-christian muslims than you think. |
That IS a sobering thought... LOL. |
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aitm using the thinker thingy

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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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somewhat akin to Philosophy 101, it a tree falls etc.
If religion in part is to ask a sacrifice, but the sacrifice does not really need to be done, does the sacrifice have any meaning?
From the prophet end, the lion in the Narnia story, how can you be considered to have sacrificed yourself when all along you knew you were coming back to life?
Apply the same thought to Jesus. More like a fraud to me. IF a god exists, jesus didn't sacrifice a damn thing.
Atheism does not sacrifice anything except time spent in superstitious congregations mutually masterbating the menial minds of the minions.
OF course we do end up sacrificing time to spend in a cyber-world forum board screaming profanities at believers and anyone else who walk within shouting distance. _________________ Its not that I question so much whether a god created man, but that he would admit it.- Thomas Brumfield
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josephpalazzo Illusion Master

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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| aitm wrote: | somewhat akin to Philosophy 101, it a tree falls etc.
If religion in part is to ask a sacrifice, but the sacrifice does not really need to be done, does the sacrifice have any meaning?
From the prophet end, the lion in the Narnia story, how can you be considered to have sacrificed yourself when all along you knew you were coming back to life?
Apply the same thought to Jesus. More like a fraud to me. IF a god exists, jesus didn't sacrifice a damn thing.
Atheism does not sacrifice anything except time spent in superstitious congregations mutually masterbating the menial minds of the minions.
OF course we do end up sacrificing time to spend in a cyber-world forum board screaming profanities at believers and anyone else who walk within shouting distance. |
Not exactly true, I scream profanities at believers AND non-believers... Ok, I'm being picky... |
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atheism is not a religion or a belief its merely the lack of it
theist- person believing in one or many gods
the OPPOSITE
atheist- one believing in no superior being. _________________ be the pancake
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Dawkadoodle Forum Master

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| Hit_me_up024 wrote: | atheism is not a religion or a belief its merely the lack of it
theist- person believing in one
polytheist- or many gods
the OPPOSITE
atheist- one believing in no superior being. |
Fixed. |
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josephpalazzo Illusion Master

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baddogma antitheist

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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 9:10 am Post subject: Re: Nietzsche - Atheist is a religion. |
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| bassmagic wrote: | I was chatting with my girlfriend about Nietzsche the other night and she mentioned that he believed atheism to be a religion as it requires something to be sacraficed i.e. the belief in God and an afterlife (one presumes).
Anybody else encountered this way of defining religion? And what's the counter argument? |
If you never expected it in the first place, It isn't a sacrifice.
You are giving up no less than the theists. They ain't gettin it either! _________________ Join http://www.sefora.org/
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rickcopeland648 The Phantom Teabagger

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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 9:38 am Post subject: Re: Nietzsche - Atheist is a religion. |
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| bassmagic wrote: | I was chatting with my girlfriend about Nietzsche the other night and she mentioned that he believed atheism to be a religion as it requires something to be sacraficed i.e. the belief in God and an afterlife (one presumes).
Anybody else encountered this way of defining religion? And what's the counter argument? |
Where exactly did Fred say that? _________________ “I think it’s also important for the President to lay out a timetable as to how long they will be involved and when they will be withdrawn.”
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Email her this. _________________ “Here, here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up, go back to bed America, here is American Gladiators, here is 56 channels of it! Watch these pituitary retards bang their fucking skulls together and congratulate you on the living in the land of freedom. Here you go America - you are free to do what well tell you! You are free to do what we tell you!” ~ B.Hicks
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Tormentor Royal Citizen


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| Dawkadoodle wrote: | | Hit_me_up024 wrote: | atheism is not a religion or a belief its merely the lack of it
MONOtheist- person believing in one
polytheist- or many gods
the OPPOSITE
atheist- one believing in no superior being. |
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Double fixed. |
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emo samurai Black Messiah

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Actually, Nietzsche said that religion is nihilistic sickness. The man wrote a book called "The Antichrist." If he thinks you're sacrificing anything by turning atheist, he thinks you're sacrificing sickness. According to him, that spiritual sickness is the only absolute evil, with the will to power being the only absolute good. _________________ Those who don't believe in evolution haven't benefited from it.
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Dawkadoodle Forum Master

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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Tormentor wrote: | | Dawkadoodle wrote: | | Hit_me_up024 wrote: | atheism is not a religion or a belief its merely the lack of it
MONOtheist- person believing in one
polytheist- or many gods
the OPPOSITE
atheist- one believing in no superior being. |
Fixed. |
Double fixed. |
That's not a fix, idiot. Can't you read? You've entirely changed the message. A Monotheist cannot believe in one or many gods, which if read correctly, your statement asserts. Thus, you have to leave the statement just "Theist." which is why wasn't changed in the first place and your fix broke the damn statement, retard. |
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