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 Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:13 pm Post subject: NFL Blocks Church's Super Bowl Party |
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Way to go NFL. Don't back down on your policy because its a church.
NFL Blocks Church's Super Bowl Party
The National Football League (NFL) has ordered Fall Creek Baptist Church to cancel their Super Bowl viewing party on the grounds that the church used its trademark name in their promotions in addition to the church’s plan to charge a fee to attend.
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fuck the NFL. that church wasn't hurting anybody with their party. I hate how corporations theses days go so waaay overboard with this copyright crap.
I hope the church fights this. |
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I saw this article yesterday, and I agree with HBA. It's a broadcast on free network television, and the church agreed not to charge anything or use the Super Bowl name. There's no reason for them to bitch about the church using a large screen so everyone can see, because it might have some miniscule to non-existent affect on the fucking Nielsen ratings.  They're just statistical sampling of a fairly small number of households anyway. A couple community centers and churches showing the game isn't gonna make a bit of a difference in the ratings.
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Forget about fighting it....they ain't gonna win. We're talking about the number 1 single biggest cash cow in the network sports world. Too many corporations with too much money are involved here. The NFL is a big enough pain in the ass, but then you have Pepsi and Pizza Hut and DHL and Budweiser and whoever else all trying to protect THEIR investment in the game.
It's a numbers game, but not just Neilson. Its Madison Ave too. What's the difference if 100 people watch the game at my house or in 100 different homes? None, to you and me. But in the advertising game, the NFL wants to be able to tell Pepsi that their add will be seen in /begin echo/ 100 HOMES!!! /end echo/. How else can they charge $3 million dollars for a 45 second ad spot?
Oh...and Neilson is important...HUGELY important. It is how the NFL sells their sport to the networks. Dig this...
wikipedia said:
| Quote: | 2006-2011 CBS ($622.5 million/yr) FOX ($712.5 million/yr) NBC ($650 million/yr) ESPN ($1.1 billion/yr)
NFL Network (N/A) Total: $3.735 billion/yr
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The NFL is not about to let Pastor Ted and a few churchies put a slump in their ratings numbers. Uhn-uh.
They will just have to be careful how they word next year's flyer. Instead of Super Bowl, say "The Big Game" or something. Instead of Projection TV, say "Watch the game on TV here." You have to stay under the radar here. There's just too much bread involved.
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if that church defied the NFL, and was punished by the NFL it would make them martyrs.
imagine how bad the NFL would look suing a church for watching a football game, and having a party.
they would have a serious boycott on their hands, one I would gladly join, but then I've never watch football to begin with, so in my case it wouldn't count.  |
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SteveInSF
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| hillbillyatheist wrote: | fuck the NFL. that church wasn't hurting anybody with their party. I hate how corporations theses days go so waaay overboard with this copyright crap.
I hope the church fights this. |
I think you missed the point of my post. No matter how you feel about the NFL, copyrights and the like, the point is that they didn't change their rules because it was a church. Churches and other religious entities get special treatment all the time. I am reminded of this every Sunday morning when I drive to a sports bar to watch my team play and I see many lanes of what should be normal street traffic turned into parking lots for churches.
I am just happy that the Church is treated as anyone else would be treated in this instance. |
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| SteveInSF wrote: | | I am just happy that the Church is treated as anyone else would be treated in this instance. |
you mean the church was treated as unfairly as everyone else. (who is the victim of overzealous copyright protectionism)
I agree with you that churches and religion gets special privileges and that this should not be, but I will not side with injustice, even if it it doled out equally. |
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lets put it this way. if you got with your buddies to have a super bowl party, and the NFL nazis forced you to cancel it, because you said "super bowl" and because they thought your TV was too big, how would you feel?
suppose it was an atheist get together, and the NFL forced you to cancel it?
I'm sorry but I find this action by the NFL appalling!!!
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| hillbillyatheist wrote: | | you mean the church was treated as unfairly as everyone else. (who is the victim of overzealous copyright protectionism) |
Even though it is not the point of my initial post I will tell you why I don't agree with you. Like everything else, the NFL is a business. As a business, the NFL has to protect its interests and its profits. The church was originally going to sell tickets to this event and was using graphical work that had been paid for by the NFL. This church organization, like any other organization trying to do the same thing, would profit from this event while the NFL would lose money. If such a thing were allowed nationwide, it would drastically reduce the ad revenue generated during this event.
You may think the NFL is a big rich company and thusly deserves to lose money, but I do not agree. It is a matter of principal and works on all levels. I spend many hours writing code that is very valuable to me and whoever pays for the code. If its a large company or an individual, they still deserve to get what they paid for. If someone was taking the code I had written and made a profit from it while detracting from the money I took in, I would have a big, big problem with it. |
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Now, how ironic is THIS????
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| FlatEarth1024 wrote: | Now, how ironic is THIS????
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| SteveInSF wrote: | | hillbillyatheist wrote: | | you mean the church was treated as unfairly as everyone else. (who is the victim of overzealous copyright protectionism) |
Even though it is not the point of my initial post I will tell you why I don't agree with you. Like everything else, the NFL is a business. As a business, the NFL has to protect its interests and its profits. The church was originally going to sell tickets to this event and was using graphical work that had been paid for by the NFL. This church organization, like any other organization trying to do the same thing, would profit from this event while the NFL would lose money. If such a thing were allowed nationwide, it would drastically reduce the ad revenue generated during this event.
You may think the NFL is a big rich company and thusly deserves to lose money, but I do not agree. It is a matter of principal and works on all levels. I spend many hours writing code that is very valuable to me and whoever pays for the code. If its a large company or an individual, they still deserve to get what they paid for. If someone was taking the code I had written and made a profit from it while detracting from the money I took in, I would have a big, big problem with it. |
I don't see how the NFL is losing money or being hurt in anyway over this? the way things are getting theses days, the copyright police will be thugging birthday parties next and suing people who sing "happy birthday" with out paying the royalties. 
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| FlatEarth1024 wrote: | Now, how ironic is THIS????
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Heh, heh. Good stuff.
HBA,
I agree with you that the copyright laws are a tad overzealous. However, I wonder what your stance would be if you were, say, VP of Marketing for the NFL? Do you think that your paradigm shift would affect your opinion of this in any way? In my opinion, the NFL has worked extremely hard for about half a century to get to where they are now, and they should take advantage of the laws that are in place to protect their name. On the other hand, the fact that this made the news is going to be very bad for PR. I wonder how many fundies are going to "Boycott the Superbxxx for Jesus" or something silly like that.
What's silly is that they would let the church use up to a 52" HD TV but not a crappy projector that they probably keep in the hall closet. |
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| hillbillyatheist wrote: | | SteveInSF wrote: | | hillbillyatheist wrote: | | you mean the church was treated as unfairly as everyone else. (who is the victim of overzealous copyright protectionism) |
Even though it is not the point of my initial post I will tell you why I don't agree with you. Like everything else, the NFL is a business. As a business, the NFL has to protect its interests and its profits. The church was originally going to sell tickets to this event and was using graphical work that had been paid for by the NFL. This church organization, like any other organization trying to do the same thing, would profit from this event while the NFL would lose money. If such a thing were allowed nationwide, it would drastically reduce the ad revenue generated during this event.
You may think the NFL is a big rich company and thusly deserves to lose money, but I do not agree. It is a matter of principal and works on all levels. I spend many hours writing code that is very valuable to me and whoever pays for the code. If its a large company or an individual, they still deserve to get what they paid for. If someone was taking the code I had written and made a profit from it while detracting from the money I took in, I would have a big, big problem with it. |
I don't see how the NFL is losing money or being hurt in anyway over this? the way things are getting theses days, the copyright police will be thugging birthday parties next and suing people who sing "happy birthday" with out paying the royalties.
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It's one of those instances of building a fence around a rule. If there were no law regarding this, I could charge admission to my hypothetical movie theatre and show NFL games there (even in the team's hometown), which if popular enough could detract from actual game attendance. Also, in a large setting like that, it's possible that the sound would get turned down or something else would be shown during commercials, which WOULD take money from the NFL's pockets. Oh, and "Happy Birthday" is public domain, but I heard of a case about this a few years ago in which people tried to collect royalties |
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| Mr_C wrote: | | FlatEarth1024 wrote: | Now, how ironic is THIS????
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Heh, heh. Good stuff.
HBA,
I agree with you that the copyright laws are a tad overzealous. However, I wonder what your stance would be if you were, say, VP of Marketing for the NFL? Do you think that your paradigm shift would affect your opinion of this in any way? |
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| Quote: | | In my opinion, the NFL has worked extremely hard for about half a century to get to where they are now, and they should take advantage of the laws that are in place to protect their name. |
again, I don't see how this church is hurting the NFL.
I can just see it now.
headline: NFL files bankruptcy because a church said "super bowl" and had a TV that was too big. it's the end of football as we know it.  |
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