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FlatEarth1024
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| Mr_C wrote: | | What's silly is that they would let the church use up to a 52" HD TV but not a crappy projector that they probably keep in the hall closet. |
No way!!! Last year, the Baptist church up the block showed the game outside (FLA, it was like 75 degrees). They had a brand new Optoma and shot it against the outside wall of the building. Friggin' thing looked like a drive-in movie. In fact, I think that's what they did. Had folks sitting in their cars listening to the radio feed while watching this damned Imax. I was jealous.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr_C wrote: | It's one of those instances of building a fence around a rule. If there were no law regarding this, I could charge admission to my hypothetical movie theatre and show NFL games there (even in the team's hometown), which if popular enough could detract from actual game attendance. Also, in a large setting like that, it's possible that the sound would get turned down or something else would be shown during commercials, which WOULD take money from the NFL's pockets. Oh, and "Happy Birthday" is public domain, but I heard of a case about this a few years ago in which people tried to collect royalties  |
people could turn off the TV during commercials anyway. maybe the NFL should sue DVR makes next. (get my point?)
secondly what if you offered the show for free? is that allowed? what's the difference?
people will always buy tickets to see the game live and in person. the NFL should not fear super bowl parties. they won't bankrupt the NFL. (they haven't so far ~ unless you think this is the first place to host such a party) |
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| hillbillyatheist wrote: |
I don't see how the NFL is losing money or being hurt in anyway over this? the way things are getting theses days, the copyright police will be thugging birthday parties next and suing people who sing "happy birthday" with out paying the royalties.  |
'Happy Birthday' being sung is different. You can sing any song you want anywhere. Recording and selling 'Happy Birthday' is another matter. If you gather a large group together and show this type of event, it reduces the ratings of the event by reducing the number of estimated televisions watching the event. This ties directly into the negotiations when charging for ad time.
It directly affects the bottom line and that is what this is all about.
We both have an obvious bias on the matter since you don't like football and I do but that shouldn't matter. Its really more about companies have the right to protect their investments. |
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| SteveInSF wrote: | | hillbillyatheist wrote: |
I don't see how the NFL is losing money or being hurt in anyway over this? the way things are getting theses days, the copyright police will be thugging birthday parties next and suing people who sing "happy birthday" with out paying the royalties. |
'Happy Birthday' being sung is different. You can sing any song you want anywhere. Recording and selling 'Happy Birthday' is another matter. If you gather a large group together and show this type of event, it reduces the ratings of the event by reducing the number of estimated televisions watching the event. This ties directly into the negotiations when charging for ad time.
It directly affects the bottom line and that is what this is all about.
We both have an obvious bias on the matter since you don't like football and I do but that shouldn't matter. Its really more about companies have the right to protect their investments. |
so should super bowl parties be banned? everyone should be forced to stay at home and see the game on their own TV? should DVRs and VCRs be banned? (because you know people will skip the commercials) |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| hillbillyatheist wrote: |
so should super bowl parties be banned? everyone should be forced to stay at home and see the game on their own TV? should DVRs and VCRs be banned? (because you know people will skip the commercials) |
Superbowl parties with more than a certain number of people being shown on a screen bigger than a certain size are also off limits, according the the rules.
DVRs and VCRs, in my opinion, shouldn't be banned and aren't. Its about the number of TVs tuned into the program.
These type of 'off limits' events happen all the time. You could host a party, but if you have a big sign outside your house advertising it, you will get a phone call. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| SteveInSF wrote: | | hillbillyatheist wrote: |
so should super bowl parties be banned? everyone should be forced to stay at home and see the game on their own TV? should DVRs and VCRs be banned? (because you know people will skip the commercials) |
Superbowl parties with more than a certain number of people being shown on a screen bigger than a certain size are also off limits, according the the rules. |
and the rules are stupid and vile.
| Quote: | | DVRs and VCRs, in my opinion, shouldn't be banned and aren't. |
ah but think of the ads not being watching, the money being lost! oh the humanity! 
| Quote: | Its about the number of TVs tuned into the program.
These type of 'off limits' events happen all the time. You could host a party, but if you have a big sign outside your house advertising it, you will get a phone call. |
you probably agree that people shouldn't download music, even if it's just one song, right?
so how is a bunch of small parties different from a few big ones? also what about bars that will have the game on. should they be sued too? and what difference does it make if
there is a sgn up? how is the NFL losing more money one way over the other?
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HBA, this affects the guys in suits when they sit down to talk about money.
Are you gonna put down the banjo and pick up a football and watch the game? Why don't you DVR it and skip the ads just to give a big 'fuck you' to the NFL?
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 maybe I will damn it!  |
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It's a numbers game, but not just Neilson. Its Madison Ave too. What's the difference if 100 people watch the game at my house or in 100 different homes? None, to you and me. But in the advertising game, the NFL wants to be able to tell Pepsi that their add will be seen in /begin echo/ 100 HOMES!!! /end echo/. How else can they charge $3 million dollars for a 45 second ad spot? |
Just put an "s" on the "hundred" and then switch out "homes" for "people".. (also you should probably say by instead of in)
Woo, and I don't even get paid for this, maybe I have a skill I was unaware of. |
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HBA, I think I found a college team you can root for:
Ole Miss Rebels
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| to bad colleges can't play in the super bowl and that the yankees are a baseball team. |
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FlatEarth1024
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| Uncertainty wrote: | | FlatEarth1024 wrote: |
It's a numbers game, but not just Neilson. Its Madison Ave too. What's the difference if 100 people watch the game at my house or in 100 different homes? None, to you and me. But in the advertising game, the NFL wants to be able to tell Pepsi that their add will be seen in /begin echo/ 100 HOMES!!! /end echo/. How else can they charge $3 million dollars for a 45 second ad spot? |
Just put an "s" on the "hundred" and then switch out "homes" for "people".. (also you should probably say by instead of in)
Woo, and I don't even get paid for this, maybe I have a skill I was unaware of. |
No..... IN HOMES is exactly the point. They consider the home viewers a captive audience. That is why IN 100 HOMES is much more valuable than BY 100 PEOPLE. They consider a party audience as peripheral viewers...eat some chips, BS with the neighbor, glance occasionally at the game. The physical HOUSE is more important to the advertisers than the actual people in it.
It is the scatter-shot theory. Show 100 people something on one screen, and maybe 50 will pay attention. Show 3-4 people something on 100 screens and maybe 200 will pay attention. Advertising 101, you appeal to as broad an audience as is humanly possible and let the law of averages work its magic.
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| Mr_C wrote: | | I agree with you that the copyright laws are a tad overzealous. |
I have an irrational fear of violating copyrights.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA how hard it is to do schoolwork and worrying about if you referenced copyrighted work enough?
I am so afraid of these copyright nazis that my grades are beginning to drop, I omit a lot of good info, because I feel like everything I write is someone else's work and I constantly waste valuable time doing google searches to make sure some ass doesn't sue me.
You fucking copyright scumbags are going to ruin me one day.
But if I become a huge success I might turn into one of those assholes myself.
Who knows.
And I'm TIRED of adults telling me they went through all of the same stuff.
The more stuff that scientists and mathematicians find out, the more and more things students will be forced to learn.
I'm all for learning new stuff and shit, but adults need to shut the fuck up about them telling me that they had to go through the same shit when they were a kid.
The least people can do is just flat out admit that things are harder for kids these days and work to make it easier.
(This thread-jacking was brought to you midway through some copyrightophobic hysteria about how to finish my course work for this month) |
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I heard about that and I'm still pissed off about it. I think the NFL will HAVE to back down due to the bad publicity.
My only real problem is the "Anti-Christian" martyr card some are certainly gonna pull.
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| hillbillyatheist wrote: | if that church defied the NFL, and was punished by the NFL it would make them martyrs.
imagine how bad the NFL would look suing a church for watching a football game, and having a party.
they would have a serious boycott on their hands, one I would gladly join, but then I've never watch football to begin with, so in my case it wouldn't count. |
Ya I'd have to say it's perfectly fine, except the charging a fee part. Other then that they should be just fine.
I also never watch sports in general. The only time EVER that I watching football was back a couple years at superbowl party. I was invited and I went. It was pretty crazy because the party also invited girlfriends. Which was like the first time that happened. Then that chick pulled that trick where her tit popped out. Basically everyone in the room except me and a couple other guys had girlfriends there. Everyone was dead silent. I was even silent. I wasn't sure if my imagination did it or not LOL.
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