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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:32 pm    Post subject: new rule proposal Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

should we have a rule whereby we can have a forum member calls for a ban, and a vote by the general membership confirms or rejects the ban?

please give reasons for your position.

(be advised that a majority vote may not make this rule offical. the final virdict will be from the ivory tower. this is to see what you the membership feel and why.)
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:36 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I can recall that when I wasn't posting here for that long yet, Todangst went out of his way to label me a troll, and convince others that I was a troll. (And there were plenty of people kissing his butt back then, to put it in undiplomatic terms). Had a vote-off-the-island rule been in place at the time, and had Todangst been successfull, I might have been banned from this forum a long time ago.... probably months before Tod came around and learned to appreciate my contributions as he eventually did.

Count on me to fight against the introduction of such mob-rule tactics hand and tooth.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:38 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Yes, BUT it has to work like a jury of peers with the mods passing ultimate judgment, having reviewed the individual case and complaints brought up against a poster.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:39 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

no.

this isn't about 'voting off the island' because we don't like someone. this is about ridding ourselves of known and obvious trolls that are here purely to disrupt.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:41 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

How about defining the rules we allready have so they aren't so fucking subjective?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:42 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

As a poster:

No. This is a horrible rule, primarily because it may curb my mocking of HBA (what a fuckin' hick!!!).

As an admin:

I'll support what the posters support, as long as there's some semblance of reasoning supporting the rule.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:42 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Moloth wrote:
no.

this isn't about 'voting off the island' because we don't like someone. this is about ridding ourselves of known and obvious trolls that are here purely to disrupt.


Exactly. Not like we would have ever even used this before. Dawk has shown us a weakness in our rules!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:44 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

baddogma wrote:
How about defining the rules we allready have so they aren't so fucking subjective?

That's a possibility, but will never truely eliminate the problem. Subjectivity is the price we pay for language.

If you think we can and should be clearer, however, I'd appreciate you attempting to clarify the rules to your satisfaction.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:46 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Voted No.

With such a rule in place there may be a chilling effect on unpopular stances being posted. It's sometimes annoying to see threads consistently derailed by predictable patterns of diatribes, but I'd rather have the relatively free flow of ideas. It's normally easy to simply not engage the irrational sorts who pop in and out on these forums. Plus, sometimes there is an entertainment value to the whole carnival.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:48 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I personally am against this rule.

I think that if you feel that a person is a "troll" and doesn't really contribute anything, you need to PM the mods and let them decide. If a person is as truly disruptive as you think there are, then I imagine the mods would be getting numerous complaints against this particular person, at which case I think that the person in question needs to be given a warning and told to tone it down. If he/she still doesn't...well, then I think you have a good case to ban them.

There are posters I know who post here who don't have as much popularily as some others, but I value their opinion (even if I disagree with it) and what would happen if the "majority" decided they shouldn't post here anymore, for whatever reason? What am I supposed to do then?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:49 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Philosophos wrote:
baddogma wrote:
How about defining the rules we allready have so they aren't so fucking subjective?

That's a possibility, but will never truely eliminate the problem. Subjectivity is the price we pay for language.

If you think we can and should be clearer, however, I'd appreciate you attempting to clarify the rules to your satisfaction.


Once again it would stay subjective unless we voted on subrules.

Why can't the mods see this guy isn't even taking a stance on anything he is just causing trouble?

Everyone else fucking sees it. Not like we are marching to ban every theist that comes in here. He isn't even a theist! He has no stance! Jesusfuckingchrist!

Maybe we should vote on mods!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:52 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

tinker683 wrote:
I think that if you feel that a person is a "troll" and doesn't really contribute anything, you need to PM the mods and let them decide.

I appreciate your sentiment, as more people need to PM us to let us know what we're doing right or wrong. But if someone PM'd us at this point to request a ban for trolling, we most likely would not act. The reason being: we don't have a rule for trolling at this point in time.

I would like to hear the posters' view on whether we should have such a rule, though.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:55 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

baddogma wrote:
Why can't the mods see this guy isn't even taking a stance on anything he is just causing trouble?

Perhaps we can (I personally can't, but that's just me). The thing is: he isn't breaking any rules. Thus we can't (and shouldn't) ban him.

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Maybe we should vote on mods!

You're more than welcome to either propose this in a seperate thread or take it up with Reggie.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:56 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

there needs to be a poll for the OTHER rule.

this for the 'voting off the island' rule.

what about the 'trolling' rule?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:56 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Even though I'm against some of the implications of this rule, I don't see how it could do any harm as long as the vote was unanimous.

That said, I still voted "no".

On a side note, do y'all remember This Thread?
It was so lulzy. It inspired This Post, which inspired This Post.

Also, the phrase "cunt punt" made an appearance. All in all, it may be my favorite all-time thread, just for sentimental value.
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