American officials said the U.S. government had obtained a copy even though the video had not been posted yet by al-Qaida
Meanwhile Bush lets us know..
Quote:
a reminder about the dangerous world in which we live,
As if we're not completely up to our necks in "not lettin the terrorists win" every single fucking day of our lives now.
Quote:
During the video, bin Laden's image moves for only a total of about 3 1/2 minutes in two segments, staying frozen the rest of the time while his remarks continue.
A former senior U.S. intelligence official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said it might have resulted from a technical glitch while al-Qaida passed the video through a variety of computer sites to mask its cyber trail.
It will be interesting to compare the sound of bin laden's voice in this tape, with his voice from previous tapes...
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Soon after Washington announced it had the video, all the websites that usually carry statements from al-Qaeda went down and were inaccessible, in an unprecedented shutdown, according to the Associated Press news agency
That makes independent review impossible doesn't it. After the last FAKE video tape the US government released I suppose this could be a precautionary measure to avoid getting caught trying to fool "all of the people all of the time" and failing.
Fake tape:
_________________ “Here, here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up, go back to bed America, here is American Gladiators, here is 56 channels of it! Watch these pituitary retards bang their fucking skulls together and congratulate you on the living in the land of freedom. Here you go America - you are free to do what well tell you! You are free to do what we tell you!” ~ B.Hicks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNOPu_wU6hs
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 1:52 am Post subject:
"I invite you to embrace Islam," says Osama, and yes, that is a prerequisite for an observant Muslim before he can commit an act of violence against an unbeliever.
Muhammad directs Muslims to issue this invitation first, and if they refuse, to invite non-Muslims to enter the Islamic social order as second-class dhimmis, and if they refuse both, to go to war with them:
Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war, do not embezzle the spoils; do not break your pledge; and do not mutilate (the dead) bodies; do not kill the children. When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them....If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them. (Sahih Muslim 4294)
source _________________ "Orwell was a visionary. He just got the date wrong."
One of the world’s most respected Deobandi scholars believes that aggressive military jihad should be waged by Muslims “to establish the supremacy of Islam” worldwide.
Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani argues that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.
His views explode the myth that the creed of offensive, expansionist jihad represents a distortion of traditional Islamic thinking.
The 2 million Muslims in Britain are not really immigrants, but an advance party of colonisers. _________________ "Orwell was a visionary. He just got the date wrong."
One of the world’s most respected Deobandi scholars believes that aggressive military jihad should be waged by Muslims “to establish the supremacy of Islam” worldwide.
Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani argues that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.
His views explode the myth that the creed of offensive, expansionist jihad represents a distortion of traditional Islamic thinking.
The 2 million Muslims in Britain are not really immigrants, but an advance party of colonisers.
whew, that WOULD suck if the British and Colonialism were to ever mix...
oh, wait.
Miss Hong Kong yet? its only been ten years, after all. Truly, the Sun shall never set on the British Empire... _________________ -=The Believer is Happy; the Skeptic is Wise=-
One of the world’s most respected Deobandi scholars believes that aggressive military jihad should be waged by Muslims “to establish the supremacy of Islam” worldwide.
Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani argues that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.
His views explode the myth that the creed of offensive, expansionist jihad represents a distortion of traditional Islamic thinking.
The 2 million Muslims in Britain are not really immigrants, but an advance party of colonisers.
whew, that WOULD suck if the British and Colonialism were to ever mix...
oh, wait.
Miss Hong Kong yet? its only been ten years, after all. Truly, the Sun shall never set on the British Empire...
Is that realy fair Moloth? Lets say that some militant black group was allegedly/overtly questing to gain political power in the US, with the goal of enslaving white people as *pay back* -- SO, because of some half assed irony, YOUR not ALOWED to be concerned about this, or call the wrong by it's proper name, being "slavery"?
Not to rub it in, but on 9/11, did those planes accidentally hit the Twin Towers, rather than Big Ben? _________________ "-- Upon this a question arises: whether it be better to be loved than
feared or feared than loved? It may be answered that one should wish to
be both, but, because it is difficult to unite them in one person, it
is much safer to be feared than loved, when, of the two, either must be
dispensed with."-- Niccolò Machiavelli
BTW, Lumpymunk, the 11/9 video is often called "fake" because Bin Laden doesn't look exactly the same as he does in the video below.
But have you ever watched this video? It's just as damning evidence against Bin Laden. Of what use is the supposedly "fake" video to conspiracy theorists?
_________________ "If we long to believe that the stars rise and set for us, that we are the reason there is a Universe, does science do us a disservice in deflating our conceits?"
Carl Sagan
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 12:57 am Post subject:
Mr. C,
Don't being shitty with me and I'll have no reason to return the favor.
If you're intellectually comfortable with evading the fact that the video I mentioned is fake.. is indeed fake for more reasons than "physical appearance" then thats fine. But don't assert your ignorance on the subject as an argument against the point. Ignorance is not an argument, making fun of someone for holding a position is not an argument... it's an Ad Hom.
So in conclusion I'll respond to your tease with a resounding...
_________________ “Here, here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up, go back to bed America, here is American Gladiators, here is 56 channels of it! Watch these pituitary retards bang their fucking skulls together and congratulate you on the living in the land of freedom. Here you go America - you are free to do what well tell you! You are free to do what we tell you!” ~ B.Hicks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNOPu_wU6hs
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 7:48 am Post subject:
The supposedly 'fake' video isn't fake at all. It's just of such poor quality that it changes his appearance, especially when he is facing right, and in poor light. There are a couple of brief moments when he is turned face forward and recieving a larger amount of light. Here's one:
Here you can clearly see that the man in the video is Osama Bin Laden.
_________________ "I am the beginning, the end...the one who is many. I am the collective." - The Borg Queen
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Joined: 25 Dec 2004 Posts: 1034 Local time: 2:44 AM
Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 8:00 am Post subject:
Lumpymunk, MR C's question is perfectly valid, and was put in a straightforward non-insulting manner. Your hissy little non-response just makes you look like an idiot. _________________ "I am the beginning, the end...the one who is many. I am the collective." - The Borg Queen
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 9:12 am Post subject:
Here's a transcript of Bin Laden's latest video. _________________ “I think it’s also important for the President to lay out a timetable as to how long they will be involved and when they will be withdrawn.”
-- George W. Bush on Clinton's involvement in Kosovo, 1999
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 9:35 am Post subject:
Actually, the big problem is with:
"A former senior U.S. intelligence official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said it might have resulted from a technical glitch while al-Qaida passed the video through a variety of computer sites to mask its cyber trail."
Doesn't the CIA/NSA/whateverotherfuckingagency employ good hackers and techies to figure this out? It's been 6 fucking years since the attack in NYC, and the CIA doesn't fucking know about packet sniffers and shit? WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK? _________________ aa #51, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 11:30 am Post subject:
cheapsuprise wrote:
Moloth wrote:
pr126 wrote:
The 2 million Muslims in Britain are not really immigrants, but an advance party of colonisers.
whew, that WOULD suck if the British and Colonialism were to ever mix...
oh, wait.
Miss Hong Kong yet? its only been ten years, after all. Truly, the Sun shall never set on the British Empire...
Is that realy fair Moloth? Lets say that some militant black group was allegedly/overtly questing to gain political power in the US, with the goal of enslaving white people as *pay back* -- SO, because of some half assed irony, YOUR not ALOWED to be concerned about this, or call the wrong by it's proper name, being "slavery"?
Not to rub it in, but on 9/11, did those planes accidentally hit the Twin Towers, rather than Big Ben?
enslaving people?
i'm not allowed to be concerned?
9/11?
what the FUCK are you talking about, Cheap? O_o _________________ -=The Believer is Happy; the Skeptic is Wise=-
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 11:42 am Post subject:
lumpymunk wrote:
Mr. C,
Don't being shitty with me and I'll have no reason to return the favor.
If you're intellectually comfortable with evading the fact that the video I mentioned is fake.. is indeed fake for more reasons than "physical appearance" then thats fine. But don't assert your ignorance on the subject as an argument against the point. Ignorance is not an argument, making fun of someone for holding a position is not an argument... it's an Ad Hom.
So in conclusion I'll respond to your tease with a resounding...
That was a funny picture
Cartman wrote:
Lumpymunk, MR C's question is perfectly valid, and was put in a straightforward non-insulting manner. Your hissy little non-response just makes you look like an idiot.
Thank you, Cartman. While I am ignorant to much of the conspiracy theorist's arguments, all I did was make an observation and ask a freaking question. In fact, after making that post, I stayed up until 1am watching 9/11 conspiracy videos on youtube, just because I find it interesting.
So let's be civil here, lumpymunk. I have no reason to dislike you, and I think you misunderstood the intent of my post.
Now, just because I have a sense of humor, I prayed to the almighty to invoke the all-powerful "FU" of God.
Consider yourself smote.
Joined: 17 Feb 2007 Posts: 2138 Local time: 11:44 AM
Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 3:19 pm Post subject:
cartman wrote:
The supposedly 'fake' video isn't fake at all. It's just of such poor quality that it changes his appearance, especially when he is facing right, and in poor light. There are a couple of brief moments when he is turned face forward and recieving a larger amount of light.
Poor video quality turns a left handed man, into someone who writes with his right hand? Thats new.
Poor video quality turns a fundamentalist Muslim, into someone who wears gold rings? Thats new.
In fact, after making that post, I stayed up until 1am watching 9/11 conspiracy videos on youtube, just because I find it interesting.
So let's be civil here, lumpymunk. I have no reason to dislike you, and I think you misunderstood the intent of my post.
Fair enough, I apologize.
Without going into detail, now that you've "stayed up" looking through some of the materials, what do you think about it?
I think I'm going to start a collection of pictures like these. This one's great too...
_________________ “Here, here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up, go back to bed America, here is American Gladiators, here is 56 channels of it! Watch these pituitary retards bang their fucking skulls together and congratulate you on the living in the land of freedom. Here you go America - you are free to do what well tell you! You are free to do what we tell you!” ~ B.Hicks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNOPu_wU6hs
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