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 Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 6:10 pm Post subject: Moksha Vs. Nirvana |
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Can anyone explain the difference between moksha and nirvana, or know of a good resource addressing this issue?
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I got all of this fromwiki:
| Quote: | | In Buddhism, the concept of liberation, Nirvana, is slightly different from Jainism and Hinduism. It occurs when the self is extinguished from the cycle of rebirth. (In Hinduism too, the cycle of rebirth ends on liberation.) |
| Quote: | | In Indian religions (Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism and Sikhism), Moksha (Sanskrit: मोक्ष, liberation) or Mukti (Sanskrit: मुक्ति, release) refers to liberation from the cycle of death and rebirth and all of the suffering and limitation of worldly existence. In Hindu philosophy, it is seen as a transcendence of phenomenal being, of any sense of consciousness of time, space, and causation (karma). It is not seen as a soteriological goal in the same sense as in a Christian context, but signifies a dissolution of the sense of self as an egoistic personality: the undoing of conditioned mentality-materiality or nama-roopa (lit. name-form). Liberation is achieved by (and accompanied with) the complete stilling of all passions — a state of being known as Nirvana. Buddhist thought differs slightly from the Advaita Vedantist reading of liberation. |
It sounds like one removes you from the cycle of karma and existence for ever and the other is a state you can achieve alive or over and over again. |
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There is another word which also has a similar meaning, and that is Enlightenment (to know, understanding it all). One who has been enlightened also leaves the cycle of birth and death. One becomes a 'jnani' (one who knows). So to understand what universe is, what human life is, what birth and death are, also gives one 'moksha', 'nirvana', or 'enlightenment'.
In my case, I believe (know) that every thing in the universe is made up of energy (which is substance too, according to the theory of relativity). When one dies, then the atoms of which one is made up of are re-cycled. These atoms then go and join many other living and non-living entities. So nothing dies. Energy is eternal, it is a property of space-time (Zero Point Energy). There is no birth or death other than relocation of energy.
I am also liberated by knowing this. I would not have to go through cycle of birth and death. I have obtained 'moksha', 'nirvana', 'salvation', 'deliverance', 'enlightenment'. I was most probably born (the energy which constitutes me) 13.7 billion years ago, I am 'star material', I will live as long as the universe lives.
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| Aupmanyav wrote: | There is another word which also has a similar meaning, and that is Enlightenment (to know, understanding it all). One who has been enlightened also leaves the cycle of birth and death. One becomes a 'jnani' (one who knows). So to understand what universe is, what human life is, what birth and death are, also gives one 'moksha', 'nirvana', or 'enlightenment'.
In my case, I believe (know) that every thing in the universe is made up of energy (which is substance too, according to the theory of relativity). When one dies, then the atoms of which one is made up of are re-cycled. These atoms then go and join many other living and non-living entities. So nothing dies. Energy is eternal, it is a property of space-time (Zero Point Energy). There is no birth or death other than relocation of energy.
I am also liberated by knowing this. I would not have to go through cycle of birth and death. I have obtained 'moksha', 'nirvana', 'salvation', 'deliverance', 'enlightenment'. I was most probably born (the energy which constitutes me) 13.7 billion years ago, I am 'star material', I will live as long as the universe lives. |
Enlightenment can be reached before death-this is why some people talk to or think they have spoken to god or god.
Though enlightenment/nirvana one can get through drugs.............teach me nirvana? It's something one would love to have but self can only tell itself the self.
What?
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| xena wrote: | It's something one would love to have but self can only tell itself the self.
What?
Yeah. |
Within it's preordained, genetic limitations; yes, this statement on the surface is true. The acknowledgement of this circular thought cycle alone,{even with patronizing undertones seemingly present} is progressive thinking.
There are tools available. 
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| xena wrote: | Enlightenment can be reached before death-this is why some people talk to or think they have spoken to god or god.
Though enlightenment/nirvana one can get through drugs.............teach me nirvana? It's something one would love to have but self can only tell itself the self. |
I am not very enamoured of enlightenment by drugs. Middle-class people in India (like me) do not use that way. There is no God to talk to. My enlightenment is through studying what our sages have said in our books. See, if you can get something out of what I have written.
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| Aupmanyav wrote: | | xena wrote: | Enlightenment can be reached before death-this is why some people talk to or think they have spoken to god or god.
Though enlightenment/nirvana one can get through drugs.............teach me nirvana? It's something one would love to have but self can only tell itself the self. |
I am not very enamoured of enlightenment by drugs. Middle-class people in India (like me) do not use that way. There is no God to talk to. My enlightenment is through studying what our sages have said in our books. See, if you can get something out of what I have written. |
May I ?
1. Shift your definition of enamour - ask your local logician today
2. Outsourcing = no, sir [shhhhhh]
3. "Books" written by both fools and sages <> should be regarded as seeds. And it is to the individual imagination, whether they will grow into the trees that obtain the most sunlight, or perhaps just thrive as flora on the forest floor, basking in the shadows of the branches overhead.
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| Aupmanyav wrote: | | xena wrote: | Enlightenment can be reached before death-this is why some people talk to or think they have spoken to god or god.
Though enlightenment/nirvana one can get through drugs.............teach me nirvana? It's something one would love to have but self can only tell itself the self. |
I am not very enamoured of enlightenment by drugs. Middle-class people in India (like me) do not use that way. There is no God to talk to. My enlightenment is through studying what our sages have said in our books. See, if you can get something out of what I have written. |
I'm reading. I have read.
It is very inreutiging (oh crap--guess that word please for the moment while I get a dictionary) INTREEGING (is says it as sounds for now) |
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| ChrissyFos wrote: | | Aupmanyav wrote: | | xena wrote: | Enlightenment can be reached before death-this is why some people talk to or think they have spoken to god or god.
Though enlightenment/nirvana one can get through drugs.............teach me nirvana? It's something one would love to have but self can only tell itself the self. |
I am not very enamoured of enlightenment by drugs. Middle-class people in India (like me) do not use that way. There is no God to talk to. My enlightenment is through studying what our sages have said in our books. See, if you can get something out of what I have written. |
May I ?
1. Shift your definition of enamour - ask your local logician today
2. Outsourcing = no, sir [shhhhhh]
3. "Books" written by both fools and sages <> should be regarded as seeds. And it is to the individual imagination, whether they will grow into the trees that obtain the most sunlight, or perhaps just thrive as flora on the forest floor, basking in the shadows of the branches overhead. |
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Just sharing
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Xena: Sorry, I have no interest in Nagarjuna and the Tibetan texts.
ChrissyFos: Yes, books have been written by both fools and sages. Both have survived, the cactus as well as the oak. Fools choose books written by fools, wise choose books written by sages.
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BLURB
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I like films.
I do so very much.
Blurb burb blurb
THE FISHERKING |
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wASN'T ROBIN WILLIAMS GOODIN THAT-THERE SEEMS TO BE THIS THING WITH FILM IN AMERICA 'lLEON'
'CURLYSUE'
OH THE NICK NOLTE ONE
ALL HAVE BAD GUY GOOD GUY LITTLE CHILD
OH AND JACKIE CHAN THE GOLDEN CHILD-NO THAT WAS ANOTHER.
I LOVE FILMS. |
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| The pink panther can see she is being stupid now and will shut up....for a bit...maybe... |
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| xena wrote: | | I LOVE FILMS. |
I too loved films, but that was ages ago. Now I get bored. 
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