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sjc
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Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 8:09 pm Post subject:

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Why are you so 'involved' with American laws? It is legal for cousins to marry and have children throughout Canada.

It is an indictable offense and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding fourteen years.
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Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 8:12 pm Post subject:

sjc why is incest wrong?

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Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 8:12 pm Post subject:

sjc wrote:

AiiA wrote:

Why are you so 'involved' with American laws? It is legal for cousins to marry and have children throughout Canada.

Point?

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Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 8:17 pm Post subject:

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sjc
why is incest wrong?

I've already stated so several times over. Don't you have ANY moral standards? There are certain limitations place on everyone as part of a functioning society.
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Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 8:18 pm Post subject:

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hillbillyatheist wrote:

I already made the conditions that it had to be between consenting adults, thus I am not talking about child molesters, secondly I have just added a second condition, what if they use birth control, so they don't have babies? then is it wrong?

Yes, it is still wrong, because it has always been wrong, and you should know that even birth control is not 100%. Plus, maternal instinct may kick in.

Bullshit. Wrong because it has always been wrong? This is both as illogical and inaccurate as claiming that homosexuality is "wrong because it has always been wrong". And I would like to see a source for the severity and probability of disabilities in children of siblings.

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Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 8:18 pm Post subject:

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hillbillyatheist wrote:

don't avoid the question. if consenting gay brothers (or a brother who had been fixed with a sister with no uterus) had sex would it be wrong? why?

I won't play a hair splitting contest with you. It is pointless.

no you are dodging, that's what you're doing.

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I don't think incest is wrong.

also did you catch my edit above (see bottom of my post above this one)

Maybe my joke wasn't too far off than if that is going to be your attitude. Rolling Eyes

You're only giving credence to the stereotype.

huh? so what have I said that indicates that I sleep with my relatives?

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Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 8:20 pm Post subject:

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okay what if the guy does get fixed, or if the incest is between two gay brothers? is it wrong then?

What if the moon was made of green cheese would we have to swim to mars?

The analogy is obviously false and absurd. Incest between two brothers has certainly occurred. Do you consider it wrong?

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Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 8:21 pm Post subject:

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no you are dodging, that's what you're doing.

Playing ''What if" games will get you no where, just as they will when playing them in regards to religion as well.

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huh? so what have I said that indicates that I sleep with my relatives?

Would you if you had the chance since you see nothing wrong with it?
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Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 8:25 pm Post subject:

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no you are dodging, that's what you're doing.

Playing ''What if" games will get you no where, just as they will when playing them in regards to religion as well.

it is a perfectly legitimate question.

you claim incest is wrong because of it possibly producing disabled kids, I took that scenario off the table, by giving examples where reproducing is not a factor, and now you are dodging the issue.

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huh? so what have I said that indicates that I sleep with my relatives?

Would you if you had the chance since you see nothing wrong with it?

would you fuck a guy since you think being gay is okay?

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Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 8:27 pm Post subject:

sjc wrote:

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sjc
why is incest wrong?

I've already stated so several times over. Don't you have ANY moral standards?

How have you determined the morality of incest?

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There are certain limitations place on everyone as part of a functioning society.

Are you saying the Germans in 1932-1945 were morally correct in killing minorities because minorities were outside the limitations of society?

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Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 8:28 pm Post subject:

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You are saying the Germans in 1932-1945 were morally correct in killing minorities because minorities were outside the limitations of society?

[cough]Godwin[/cough]

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Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 8:30 pm Post subject:

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I've also stated that incest was a tribal taboo as well and that not all traditions are wrong.

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would you fuck a guy since you think being gay is okay?

Apples and oranges. Are you comparing homosexuality to incest now and giving credence to the Christian belief that they are the same sort of thing?
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Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 8:30 pm Post subject:

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Are you against driving cars because of the risk of car accidents? Surprised

Unless you plan on having children with one. Rolling Eyes

That was one of the dumbest comparisons I've ever heard.

Awwh, you can't think a little past the subject? Rolling Eyes

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Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 8:37 pm Post subject:

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hillbillyatheist wrote:

I've also stated that incest was a tribal taboo as well and that not all traditions are wrong.

yes but you have not give me a valid reason for your position. you keep dodging.

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would you fuck a guy since you think being gay is okay?

Apples and oranges. Are you comparing homosexuality to incest now and giving credence to the Christian belief that they are the same sort of thing?

when it comes to morality, yes they are one and the same. both of them are harmless sexual acts (as along as it is between between consenting adults)

tell me sjc, why is being gay okay but not if they are brothers?

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Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 8:38 pm Post subject:

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hillbillyatheist wrote:

I've also stated that incest was a tribal taboo as well and that not all traditions are wrong.

Tribal taboo? Is this what passes for logic in your house? A fucking tribal taboo? Homosexuality is a tribal taboo too, maybe we should get rid of that. Interracial marriage too. Hell, in some tribes not having sex with your mother is a taboo. Not all tribal traditions are wrong, but you need some actual reasons beyond "the ancients forbade it" to declare something immoral.

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would you fuck a guy since you think being gay is okay?

Apples and oranges. Are you comparing homosexuality to incest now and giving credence to the Christian belief that they are the same sort of thing?

They are both irregular sexual behaviours which contradict traditional morality. One is more common than the other, and now that one is no longer considered immoral, but there are no good reasons against either.

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