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For those people who STILL say that religious faith isn't a delusional mental disorder:
http://www.doubleviking.com/videos/tag/prank/page0.html/7726.html
Some of is have to live in a world in which we have to see and hear this kind of shit on a daily basis...
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I wish you'd stop with the mental disorder stuff. Just because someone believes in an invisible guy who floats in the air and whispers soothing mantras in their ear doesn't make them crazy.
Besides, my uncle is Christian. Are you saying my uncle is crazy? Are you?
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| FlatEarth1024 wrote: | | I wish you'd stop with the mental disorder stuff. Just because someone believes in an invisible guy who floats in the air and whispers soothing mantras in their ear doesn't make them crazy. |
I'm having trouble choosing between a remark about sanity being in numbers, and something involving a Bugs Bunny costume.
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| FlatEarth1024 wrote: | I wish you'd stop with the mental disorder stuff. Just because someone believes in an invisible guy who floats in the air and whispers soothing mantras in their ear doesn't make them crazy.
Besides, my uncle is Christian. Are you saying my uncle is crazy? Are you? |
Being crazy and having a mental disorder is one whisper apart... |
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| josephpalazzo wrote: | | FlatEarth1024 wrote: | I wish you'd stop with the mental disorder stuff. Just because someone believes in an invisible guy who floats in the air and whispers soothing mantras in their ear doesn't make them crazy.
Besides, my uncle is Christian. Are you saying my uncle is crazy? Are you? |
Being crazy and having a mental disorder is one whisper apart... |
and only half a whisper apart if your a fundie 
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| Enemy_of_Real1ty wrote: | | josephpalazzo wrote: | | FlatEarth1024 wrote: | I wish you'd stop with the mental disorder stuff. Just because someone believes in an invisible guy who floats in the air and whispers soothing mantras in their ear doesn't make them crazy.
Besides, my uncle is Christian. Are you saying my uncle is crazy? Are you? |
Being crazy and having a mental disorder is one whisper apart... |
and only half a whisper apart if your a fundie |
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| FlatEarth1024 wrote: | I wish you'd stop with the mental disorder stuff. Just because someone believes in an invisible guy who floats in the air and whispers soothing mantras in their ear doesn't make them crazy.
Besides, my uncle is Christian. Are you saying my uncle is crazy? Are you? |
The actual argument doesnt say ALL believers are mentally deluded.
Ask your uncle or even try to answer these yourself...
1. The patient expresses an idea or belief with unusual persistence or force.
2. That idea appears to exert an undue influence on his or her life, and the way of life is often altered to an inexplicable extent.
3. Despite his profound conviction, there is often a quality of secretiveness or suspicion when the patient is questioned about it.
4. The individual tends to be humorless and oversensitive, especially about the belief.
5. There is a quality of centrality: no matter how unlikely it is that these strange things are happening to him, the patient accepts them relatively unquestioningly.
6. An attempt to contradict the belief is likely to arouse an inappropriately strong emotional reaction, often with irritability and hostility.
7. The belief is, at the least, unlikely.
8. The patient is emotionally over-invested in the idea and it overwhelms other elements of his psyche (psychology).
9. The delusion, if acted out, often leads to behaviors which are abnormal and/or out of character, although perhaps understandable in the light of the delusional beliefs.
10. Individuals who know the patient will observe that his belief and behavior are uncharacteristic and alien.
1. God lives in the sky?
2. No more sunday morning? no adultery? no eating shrimp? against abortion/condoms?
3. Has he read the bible? probably not but does he admit it? Is he aware of the ton of wierd things he believes if he believes in the bible... but doesnt want to admit?
4. haha kind of clear... believers often get really pissed at things.
5. a super celebrity bothers to care about him?
6. Not necessarily this kind of level... but ya.
7. Yep very very unlikely.
8. Kind of a rehash of previous points.
9. Unfortunately this one is a popularity one. Though still plausible... does he break #2 in a wierd way?
10. another popularity one.
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| FlatEarth1024 wrote: | | Besides, my uncle is Christian. Are you saying my uncle is crazy? Are you? |
Oh man, having a mental disorder does not mean you're crazy.
Stupid media fucking up science. Aaaarggggghhh.
Edit: I just wanna say that the term "mental disorder" in itself is borderline unscientific anyway.
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| SpecterOpacus wrote: |
Edit: I just wanna say that the term "mental disorder" in itself is borderline unscientific anyway. |
Now I agree on this mainly because the entire area is basically a way of saying... LOOK! he's not the same as US... therefore what's wrong with him? Well I dunno what's wrong lets just classify it somehow and give them a label.
Than again that's basically all that psychologists do.
If you had a tricorder from star trek. You scanner a person... you basically could almost never actually give any psychological readings. That's just about how screwed up the entire field is; though with exceptions. Though those exceptions are basically where psychology and neurology overlap.
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| munky99999 wrote: | | SpecterOpacus wrote: |
Edit: I just wanna say that the term "mental disorder" in itself is borderline unscientific anyway. |
Now I agree on this mainly because the entire area is basically a way of saying... LOOK! he's not the same as US... therefore what's wrong with him? Well I dunno what's wrong lets just classify it somehow and give them a label.
Than again that's basically all that psychologists do. |
Ouch? (is a psych major)
Mental disorders were pretty clear for a while. Before, you know, the pharmaceutical companies got into it.
| Quote: | | If you had a tricorder from star trek. You scanner a person... you basically could almost never actually give any psychological readings. That's just about how screwed up the entire field is; though with exceptions. Though those exceptions are basically where psychology and neurology overlap. |
Neurological basis should always be in a mental disorder's diagnosis. Unfortunately, a lot of the ones found in the DSM lack that.
Paris Syndrome? Seriously?
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In the bitch's defense, she's probably a little nuts on her own, but that religous shit just amps it up.
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| monkeybyte wrote: | | In the bitch's defense, she's probably a little nuts on her own, but that religous shit just amps it up. |
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| Quote: | Ouch? (is a psych major)
Mental disorders were pretty clear for a while. Before, you know, the pharmaceutical companies got into it. |
I think I might be a little more biased on that one... but pharmaceutical companies have actually done a huge contribution to actually HELPING those people who are not actually the "normal" in a meaningful way. Where one can actually scientifically show that the person is that way... rather than just behaviour.
ADD is the great example of this. These people are labelled as "not normal" they are pushed over into the category. Though again this is actually another big failure in the time of actual explosion. The products that are marketed for ADD are great. You can also measure with instruments that a child has ADD. Furthermore 1 drug is not the best for the each person. When measuring with instruments that the child has ADD or not... the doctors also gets other information which is necessary before prescribing these drugs.
The failure was that they werent doing these tests... were giving the wrong drugs to the wrong kids.
On the otherhand you can look at the personality disorders... say well those aren't "normal" people. Push them over into their category and than somehow these people need to change or something... or consider themselves outcasts. For example Narcissistic or Schizoid personality disorders. You can't in any way tell me that you could actually tell me that any of these people who are classified under these categories... or the many others... you can actually MEASURE scientifically that the person is even this way. Yet they probably medicate these people with anti-depressants and anti-psychotics... not to mention loads of therapy... provided by who? the psychologists... for what reason? so the psychologists can bill people?
I'm sorry but the pharmaceutical companies are far far far from the blame on this one. I can find you a neuroscientist who scientifically shows the patients to needing the anti-psychotics and others. Where those drugs actually work great. I can on the otherhand show you the psychologist meeting arena and show you hundreds of people doing virtually nothing for these people.
Don't get me wrong. Psychologists aren't doing much for these people... I hope these examples I speak of have the patient willingly and freely looking for help. Not anything otherthan. However... psychologists DO help people significantly in many places. In Ontario psychologists run this one group who basically work with parents who have an autistic child. Nothing but superb shit coming from there.
Also on a similar idea... Do schools kill creativity. Tedtalks Great talk.
| Quote: | | Neurological basis should always be in a mental disorder's diagnosis. Unfortunately, a lot of the ones found in the DSM lack that. |
That's the problem I have with psychologists honestly. If you can't show it on a neurologically basis... I don't think it should be considered with it.
| Quote: | | Paris Syndrome? Seriously? |
Ya i usually refer to this as the Bermuda triangle syndrome. As with the bermuda triangle... you can basically look at every bit of water and say there's a bermuda triangle there because of the apparent losses in the world. Just as this one... It orginally was noticed in italy... paris... jerusalem... and so many other places. People just see something that makes themvery very anxious. The first time I saw the CN tower in Toronto, Ontario, Canada... my heart raced. It's friggen gigantic. On clear days you can see the friggen thing from very very far away.
Anyway in final conclusion. I think even given all this... the original point that I made stands... that the idea behind psychologists is the whole... "you're not normal how do I categorize you"
I think I'm not even really suggesting a change in how they categorize. If someone doesn't like people and is anti-social. So be it. I just dont think anything should actually happen beyond talking however without a neurological backing.
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