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| Newman wrote: | | CET wrote: | | WOOOOOOOOT wrote: | I always like to think theres something around called Karma.
Its nice to know if you do nice things it will come right back to you. |
Doing nice things makes you a nicer person. As a nicer person, you're more likely to do more nice things rather then mean things.
When you meet a nice person, how do you treat them?
It's all about your intentions and how much wisdom you act with. |
understand your point, but not whats ats stake here, its more the person who through good deeds, good deeds return, in the fear of over simplifying the concept, but just so you get an idea. Its rather obvious if you do good deed, those around you will treat you good (almost  ) its the good deeds that seem to return to you of poeple that did not know you |
It's not a concern of wanting good things to come to one, that is not good karma, because the desire is not genuine. It's that doing good deeds changes who you are. Those who practice good deeds become nicer people. Those who practice violent deeds become more violent people. If you do good deeds purely because you're looking for a reciprocation, the only thing you have practiced is a form of self centered greed.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:19 pm Post subject: Re: Karma? |
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| Newman wrote: | Namaste, a term I learned about on LOST, believe it or not  sad but true |
You learned of it. Regardless of how you came to that knowledge, that's more then most Americans can say. 
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Philosophos wrote: | | CET wrote: | | I'd like to also add to that list, anything written by Alan Watts. |
Sorry to confuse you, Newman, but I don't agree with this recommendation. Watts was his own man (and his voice was beautiful - listen to him, don't read him, IMO). But you're not going to get a good view of what Buddhists believe (or any other Dharmic religion, for that matter) from Watts. If you want, listen to him on his own merits. But some of the stuff he says (we're all God? Really?) is something that most Buddhists would not assert. Personally, I like his stuff, even if much of it is bullshit. *shrugs* |
Are we talking about the same Watts? 
When Watts writes about Hinduism, you'll hear him repeat the idea that we're all god, which is an Hindi concept. I've never read any of his writings on Buddhism or listened to any of his lectures on Buddhism and heard anything more then what is common Buddhist teachings.
One of the reasons I enjoy Watts' work is that he'll go into the linguistic entomology more then most authors.
Newman, ignore Philo's snub of my recommendation. Snub his snub. 
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| CET wrote: | | Are we talking about the same Watts? |
Yep.
| Quote: | | When Watts writes about Hinduism, you'll hear him repeat the idea that we're all god, which is an Hindi concept. I've never read any of his writings on Buddhism or listened to any of his lectures on Buddhism and heard anything more then what is common Buddhist teachings. |
I have.
It used to be on Reggie's website.
| Quote: | | Newman, ignore Philo's snub of my recommendation. Snub his snub. |
Newman - snub his snubbing snubness. For snub's sake.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:45 am Post subject: |
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| Philosophos wrote: | | CET wrote: | | When Watts writes about Hinduism, you'll hear him repeat the idea that we're all god, which is an Hindi concept. I've never read any of his writings on Buddhism or listened to any of his lectures on Buddhism and heard anything more then what is common Buddhist teachings. |
I have.
It used to be on Reggie's website. |
Can you be a little more specific please. What's "it"? A book? A talk?
Watts has written many academic books, many of which were on Buddhism, and particularly from the mahayana school of thought. I've never seen any reference in those books to personal opinions or beliefs that come close to resembling anything supernatural. If you've got an example, I'd very much like to see it.
| Philosophos wrote: | | Newman - snub his snubbing snubness. For snub's sake. |
That's it! You now owe me a shrubbery for all of your snubbery.
*Exits with a little soft-shoe dance*
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:29 am Post subject: |
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| Philosophos wrote: | | CET wrote: | | I'd like to also add to that list, anything written by Alan Watts. |
Sorry to confuse you, Newman, but I don't agree with this recommendation. Watts was his own man (and his voice was beautiful - listen to him, don't read him, IMO). But you're not going to get a good view of what Buddhists believe (or any other Dharmic religion, for that matter) from Watts. If you want, listen to him on his own merits. But some of the stuff he says (we're all God? Really?) is something that most Buddhists would not assert. Personally, I like his stuff, even if much of it is bullshit. *shrugs* |
Actually some Buddhists do believe we are all God. Those who do believe in the karma that eventually gets you to Nirvana, would be of that persusasion if I recall my reading from many years ago correctly. There is no pure Buddhism anymore than there is pure Xtianity, just different sects? |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Philosophos wrote: | | CET wrote: | | I'd like to also add to that list, anything written by Alan Watts. |
Sorry to confuse you, Newman, but I don't agree with this recommendation. Watts was his own man (and his voice was beautiful - listen to him, don't read him, IMO). But you're not going to get a good view of what Buddhists believe (or any other Dharmic religion, for that matter) from Watts. If you want, listen to him on his own merits. But some of the stuff he says (we're all God? Really?) is something that most Buddhists would not assert. Personally, I like his stuff, even if much of it is bullshit. *shrugs* |
LOL, understood, the interpretation is appreciated
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| At a coffee shop I once went to, they had a jar at the counter that said "Tip jar.....KARMA". I decided not to tip for some reason. |
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| Wickedtruth wrote: | | At a coffee shop I once went to, they had a jar at the counter that said "Tip jar.....KARMA". I decided not to tip for some reason. |
Good story, Hansel.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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| I was tempted to reach in the jar, take a handful of dollar bills out and tell the clerk "I guess my karma is better than yours". But I chickened out. |
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| CET wrote: | | Can you be a little more specific please. What's "it"? A book? A talk? |
Sorry, man, I can't. IIRC, it was a 3 part mp3 talk by Watts. The title? I can't say. It's long off my harddrive and iPod. Sorry.
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| ShaSha wrote: | | Actually some Buddhists do believe we are all God. |
Perhaps some do. But they'd be wrong, both from a Buddhist perspective and an "ultimate" perspective.
I'm an atheist. There are no gods.
| Quote: | | Those who do believe in the karma that eventually gets you to Nirvana, would be of that persusasion if I recall my reading from many years ago correctly. |
No. Karma does not get you to nirvana in any Buddhist sects that I'm aware of.
The whole point of Buddhism is to kick karma to the curb. Cuz, that bitch, karma; she don't gotcha money!
(I'm currently writing a manuscript for the journal Philosphy East And West entitled "Buddhism for Pimps". Any volunteer editors would be greatly appreciated. )
| Quote: | | There is no pure Buddhism anymore than there is pure Xtianity, just different sects? |
I agree - there's no "pure" religion of any kind, including Buddhism. And including Christianity.
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To quote the famous Buddhist yogi of Tibet who is claimed to have reached Buddhahood...
"If you lose all differentiation between yourselves and others,
fit to serve others you will be.
And when in serving others you will win success,
then shall you meet with me;
And finding me, you shall attain to Buddhahood."
Milarepa
Might have been simpler if Watts said "We are all Buddha nature" or "We are all Buddha's" etc...
Just speculation though. |
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Buddha-nature is strictly a Mahayanan concept.
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