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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:09 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

It was going to Church with my Baptist wife that lead her to atheism. Now we don't go anymore.
This forum was the death blow to my enjoying church even on a social level. All I want to do is point out their logical errors and debate.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:18 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

only the younger forum members, like myself, would probably attend church due to controlling parents. Luckily my parents stopped going when i was 4 so i have been in 14 years thank evolution!
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i still go to church with my parents, but not so frequently. some times its fun, some times it sucks. i used to play guitar in our pentecoastal church choir. now i left, because it was getting extremly fundie. now my parents go to some church which is not so orthodox and conservative, and sometimes they ask me to cum, so i go.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:36 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I spent about 10 years embroiled in the church and was at no time a believer. I studied church music in college then played the organ and conducted the choirs. You might want to talk to me.

Basically I loved the job but despised the circumstance. I eventually got out of it due to very unfair treatment by a new pastor.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:50 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

When I'm with some of my cousins on a Sunday, they go to church, so I do too. I don't know if they know I'm an atheist, but I don't want to get in to that kind of discussion with them. They're relatively liberal Catholic, so once I get past the initial creepiness of the whole thing, it's okay.

I've been considering sneaking in to churches for the music, though. I have a bit of a fetish for Baroque organ music, and there aren't many places to hear that outside of a church.
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Azathoth wrote:
I have a bit of a fetish for Baroque organ music, and there aren't many places to hear that outside of a church.
True, which is one of the reasons I ended up spending so much time in churches.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 4:50 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

helloween_metal wrote:
now my parents go to some church which is not so orthodox and conservative, and sometimes they ask me to cum, so i go.


Your parents ask you to cum in church? Must be a liberal church.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:38 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I'll attend a Methodist church now and then to show respect for the wife's family. Despite my efforts to exhibit good humor and remain detached, it feels hypocritical and dirty to sit there listening to them spout about things I consider to be utter crap. It's like fingers grating on a chalkboard to experience their saccharine smiles, made up stories, songs praising fiction and their sanctimonious self-importance.

So ... I do it on occasion but despise it. I'm sometimes tempted to demand equal time but I know what their reaction would be ... blank stares of "duh?"
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 11:11 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

caseagainstfaith wrote:
helloween_metal wrote:
now my parents go to some church which is not so orthodox and conservative, and sometimes they ask me to cum, so i go.


Your parents ask you to cum in church? Must be a liberal church.




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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:20 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

JazNine wrote:
I'll attend a Methodist church now and then to show respect for the wife's family. Despite my efforts to exhibit good humor and remain detached, it feels hypocritical and dirty to sit there listening to them spout about things I consider to be utter crap. It's like fingers grating on a chalkboard to experience their saccharine smiles, made up stories, songs praising fiction and their sanctimonious self-importance.

So ... I do it on occasion but despise it. I'm sometimes tempted to demand equal time but I know what their reaction would be ... blank stares of "duh?"


Have you tried occupying your mind on other thoughts while you "have" to attend these times?

I've had to attend work meetings that were mostly on things I already knew. I found that I could let my mind drift and still pick up on something I wanted to hear. Surely you an do the same so you don't have to feel like it is a chalkboard?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 1:02 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

ShaSha wrote:
JazNine wrote:
I'll attend a Methodist church now and then to show respect for the wife's family. Despite my efforts to exhibit good humor and remain detached, it feels hypocritical and dirty to sit there listening to them spout about things I consider to be utter crap. It's like fingers grating on a chalkboard to experience their saccharine smiles, made up stories, songs praising fiction and their sanctimonious self-importance.

So ... I do it on occasion but despise it. I'm sometimes tempted to demand equal time but I know what their reaction would be ... blank stares of "duh?"


Have you tried occupying your mind on other thoughts while you "have" to attend these times?

I've had to attend work meetings that were mostly on things I already knew. I found that I could let my mind drift and still pick up on something I wanted to hear. Surely you an do the same so you don't have to feel like it is a chalkboard?


Hi Sha,

Good idea. Detachment from the substance of what's going on might help. I do have a lot of negative energy when it comes to Christian belief systems. Maybe I need to work on developing more patience and understanding. They say a person learns from suffering. Maybe those crazy Methodists will teach me something after all.

Be well and happy.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:14 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I offer a sacrifice to the elder gods at least once a week.

No, in all seriousness I haven't been to church since my dad died a few months ago. And that was more for the respect of him.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 11:06 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

My immediate family are atheists, but I have been to church services a few times with grandparents, and for weddings and funerals.
I love music, and on these rare occasions I find myself in a church, I try my best to enjoy what's offered, but in most cases, there is no organ, no choir, and as I don't know most of the tunes, I can't even really take part.
I consider attending church a cultural experience, and as such, I do listen to what they are saying, just out of curiosity, rather than letting my mind drift (for the most part). I spend the non-sing-y bits trying to look politely attentive, which is tiring, and generally leave feeling bored and irritated.

I find funerals particularly trying, because it seems to me, ultimately disrespectful to the person who has died (and the people they have left behind) to spend the bulk of the funeral talking about someone else entirely - whether that someone else exists or not.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 11:35 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I was taken to church almost every sunday of my life until I moved out of my parents' house. Now, I still go with friends/family (who don't know of my lack of religious beliefs) on easter as a bit of a tradition.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 11:50 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I went to church every week while I was growing up. Since I left home I haven't gone regularly, but I still attend church fairly often because my mother is involved with the church and often performs dances and stuff. Then I go on holidays because it makes my mom happy.

I genuinely find it interesting half the time. Partly from observing people and partly for analyzing the sermon. I enjoy church much more if I get high before hand.

95% of the pain of church for me comes from the WORSHIP. I can't stand the music. But I like the lyrics. Usually I get the giggles when I pay too much attention to the lyrics because they usually strike me as really silly.

Also, I really like learning about the bible (like from the Bible Geek, Robert M. Price) so I do like to hear what the sermon has to say even when it seems so utterly wrong. Every once in a while I get to hear a pastor speak about some bible passage I've also heard the bible geek speak about. Its fun to compare what they say.
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