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Philosophos Do it

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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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Yes. Then it would. It fits very nicely. But the fact is that many real men were named "Jesus" back in those days (or "Yeshua" being slightly more accurate). So, assuming that Jesus was fake, the name fits nicely. But it's not evidence in and of itself that Jesus is a mythical character. _________________ The whores and politicians will shout 'save us'...
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tonyman1989 Forum Master


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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Philosophos wrote: | | Yes. Then it would. It fits very nicely. But the fact is that many real men were named "Jesus" back in those days (or "Yeshua" being slightly more accurate). So, assuming that Jesus was fake, the name fits nicely. But it's not evidence in and of itself that Jesus is a mythical character. |
true but it interesting that that is his name, but then again jesus was a commen name in those times, I think Iheard 1 in 20 people had the name.
and that there wer many men by the name jesus that magical powers. _________________ "If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." Albert Einstein
"For then we will know the mind of God." Stephen Hawking
"We admit that we are like apes, but we seldom realise that we are apes." Richard Dawkins
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Philosophos Do it

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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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That is interesting, but all ultimately irrelevent to the mythical Jesus question. _________________ The whores and politicians will shout 'save us'...
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tonyman1989 Forum Master


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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Philosophos wrote: | | That is interesting, but all ultimately irrelevent to the mythical Jesus question. |
true. _________________ "If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." Albert Einstein
"For then we will know the mind of God." Stephen Hawking
"We admit that we are like apes, but we seldom realise that we are apes." Richard Dawkins
http://www.atheistforums.com/weblog.php?w=22 Tonyman1989 blog's - updated on 8/28/07 - An interview of steven weinberg on religion |
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kmisho Stochastic

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And here I thought His real name was Yuheouhooshooshywooshiu _________________ K Michau
Now this religion happens to prevail/Until by that one it is overthrown/Because men dare not live with men alone/But always with another fairy tale.
al-Ma'arri, Syrian Poet, died 1057
You deny the existence of 999 alleged Gods. I merely deny one more - yours.
John MacKinnon Robertson, "Godism" 1896
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expectedvalue Intern

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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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His Hebrew name would have been Yahushua. This is what the Old Testament Joshua's real name was.
But he probably went by the Aramaic version of his name, Yeshua.
When his name is recorded in the Greek New Testament, it is converted to Iesou. (Greek has no "sh" sound.) Proper nouns get suffixes sometimes in Greek. Iesou sometimes gets a sigma at the end, making it Iesous.
Latin converted his name to Iesus. They standardized the "s" sound at the end and changed the last vowel sound from "oo" to "uh".
English originally spelled his name Iesus. The "J" is the newest letter of the English alphabet. The "I" used to also make the "J" sound. When "J" was added to the alphabet, his name became Jesus.
Basically:
Hebrew Yahushua -> Aramaic Yeshua -> Greek Iesou -> Greek Iesous -> Latin Iesus -> Old English Iesus -> Modern English Jesus |
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FlatEarth1024 Hey, Everybody!

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| expectedvalue wrote: | His Hebrew name would have been Yahushua. This is what the Old Testament Joshua's real name was.
But he probably went by the Aramaic version of his name, Yeshua.
When his name is recorded in the Greek New Testament, it is converted to Iesou. (Greek has no "sh" sound.) Proper nouns get suffixes sometimes in Greek. Iesou sometimes gets a sigma at the end, making it Iesous.
Latin converted his name to Iesus. They standardized the "s" sound at the end and changed the last vowel sound from "oo" to "uh".
English originally spelled his name Iesus. The "J" is the newest letter of the English alphabet. The "I" used to also make the "J" sound. When "J" was added to the alphabet, his name became Jesus.
Basically:
Hebrew Yahushua -> Aramaic Yeshua -> Greek Iesou -> Greek Iesous -> Latin Iesus -> Old English Iesus -> Modern English Jesus |
I accept that explanation all the way to the end. More likely, when scholars and historians were translating and going back over all the changes they probably got frustrated...
"Okay, now Yahushua becomes Iesous, right? No...Yeshua. Then Iesous? No...Iesou. THEN Iesus. No...Iesous? OH JESUS H CHRIST! I give up!"
and the name just stuck from then on. _________________
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tonyman1989 Forum Master


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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:36 am Post subject: |
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so this is talking about the same person jesus just under a different name? _________________ "If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." Albert Einstein
"For then we will know the mind of God." Stephen Hawking
"We admit that we are like apes, but we seldom realise that we are apes." Richard Dawkins
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expectedvalue Intern

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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:43 am Post subject: |
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| tonyman1989 wrote: | | so this is talking about the same person jesus just under a different name? |
No. "YAOHU" seems to be this particular person's pronunciation of the Tetragramatton, "YHWH". |
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tonyman1989 Forum Master


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so jesus was never under the name YAOHUSHUA _________________ "If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." Albert Einstein
"For then we will know the mind of God." Stephen Hawking
"We admit that we are like apes, but we seldom realise that we are apes." Richard Dawkins
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expectedvalue Intern

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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:02 am Post subject: |
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| tonyman1989 wrote: | | so jesus was never under the name YAOHUSHUA |
Yaohushua would have been Jesus' Hebrew name. I spelled it slightly different in few posts up as Yahushua. |
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tonyman1989 Forum Master


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| expectedvalue wrote: | | tonyman1989 wrote: | | so jesus was never under the name YAOHUSHUA |
Yaohushua would have been Jesus' Hebrew name. I spelled it slightly different in few posts up as Yahushua. |
ok thanks. _________________ "If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." Albert Einstein
"For then we will know the mind of God." Stephen Hawking
"We admit that we are like apes, but we seldom realise that we are apes." Richard Dawkins
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Shit like this is such a waste of time. This kind of interpretation/reinterpretation is so beside the point. _________________ “Here, here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up, go back to bed America, here is American Gladiators, here is 56 channels of it! Watch these pituitary retards bang their fucking skulls together and congratulate you on the living in the land of freedom. Here you go America - you are free to do what well tell you! You are free to do what we tell you!” ~ B.Hicks
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tonyman1989 Forum Master


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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| lumpymunk wrote: | | Shit like this is such a waste of time. This kind of interpretation/reinterpretation is so beside the point. |
what do you think the point is? _________________ "If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." Albert Einstein
"For then we will know the mind of God." Stephen Hawking
"We admit that we are like apes, but we seldom realise that we are apes." Richard Dawkins
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| tonyman1989 wrote: | | lumpymunk wrote: | | Shit like this is such a waste of time. This kind of interpretation/reinterpretation is so beside the point. |
what do you think the point is? |
Why debate what the name of a non-existent entity ever wasn't? _________________ “Here, here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up, go back to bed America, here is American Gladiators, here is 56 channels of it! Watch these pituitary retards bang their fucking skulls together and congratulate you on the living in the land of freedom. Here you go America - you are free to do what well tell you! You are free to do what we tell you!” ~ B.Hicks
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