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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:19 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Yes. Then it would. It fits very nicely. But the fact is that many real men were named "Jesus" back in those days (or "Yeshua" being slightly more accurate). So, assuming that Jesus was fake, the name fits nicely. But it's not evidence in and of itself that Jesus is a mythical character.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:21 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Yes. Then it would. It fits very nicely. But the fact is that many real men were named "Jesus" back in those days (or "Yeshua" being slightly more accurate). So, assuming that Jesus was fake, the name fits nicely. But it's not evidence in and of itself that Jesus is a mythical character.


true but it interesting that that is his name, but then again jesus was a commen name in those times, I think Iheard 1 in 20 people had the name.

and that there wer many men by the name jesus that magical powers.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:24 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

That is interesting, but all ultimately irrelevent to the mythical Jesus question.
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Philosophos wrote:
That is interesting, but all ultimately irrelevent to the mythical Jesus question.


true.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:56 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

And here I thought His real name was Yuheouhooshooshywooshiu
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:40 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

His Hebrew name would have been Yahushua. This is what the Old Testament Joshua's real name was.

But he probably went by the Aramaic version of his name, Yeshua.

When his name is recorded in the Greek New Testament, it is converted to Iesou. (Greek has no "sh" sound.) Proper nouns get suffixes sometimes in Greek. Iesou sometimes gets a sigma at the end, making it Iesous.

Latin converted his name to Iesus. They standardized the "s" sound at the end and changed the last vowel sound from "oo" to "uh".

English originally spelled his name Iesus. The "J" is the newest letter of the English alphabet. The "I" used to also make the "J" sound. When "J" was added to the alphabet, his name became Jesus.

Basically:

Hebrew Yahushua -> Aramaic Yeshua -> Greek Iesou -> Greek Iesous -> Latin Iesus -> Old English Iesus -> Modern English Jesus
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expectedvalue wrote:
His Hebrew name would have been Yahushua. This is what the Old Testament Joshua's real name was.

But he probably went by the Aramaic version of his name, Yeshua.

When his name is recorded in the Greek New Testament, it is converted to Iesou. (Greek has no "sh" sound.) Proper nouns get suffixes sometimes in Greek. Iesou sometimes gets a sigma at the end, making it Iesous.

Latin converted his name to Iesus. They standardized the "s" sound at the end and changed the last vowel sound from "oo" to "uh".

English originally spelled his name Iesus. The "J" is the newest letter of the English alphabet. The "I" used to also make the "J" sound. When "J" was added to the alphabet, his name became Jesus.

Basically:

Hebrew Yahushua -> Aramaic Yeshua -> Greek Iesou -> Greek Iesous -> Latin Iesus -> Old English Iesus -> Modern English Jesus


I accept that explanation all the way to the end. More likely, when scholars and historians were translating and going back over all the changes they probably got frustrated...

"Okay, now Yahushua becomes Iesous, right? No...Yeshua. Then Iesous? No...Iesou. THEN Iesus. No...Iesous? OH JESUS H CHRIST! I give up!"

and the name just stuck from then on.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:36 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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And here I thought His real name was Yuheouhooshooshywooshiu




so this is talking about the same person jesus just under a different name?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:43 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

tonyman1989 wrote:
so this is talking about the same person jesus just under a different name?


No. "YAOHU" seems to be this particular person's pronunciation of the Tetragramatton, "YHWH".
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:48 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

so jesus was never under the name YAOHUSHUA
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:02 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

tonyman1989 wrote:
so jesus was never under the name YAOHUSHUA


Yaohushua would have been Jesus' Hebrew name. I spelled it slightly different in few posts up as Yahushua.
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tonyman1989 wrote:
so jesus was never under the name YAOHUSHUA


Yaohushua would have been Jesus' Hebrew name. I spelled it slightly different in few posts up as Yahushua.


ok thanks.
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Shit like this is such a waste of time. This kind of interpretation/reinterpretation is so beside the point.
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Shit like this is such a waste of time. This kind of interpretation/reinterpretation is so beside the point.


what do you think the point is?
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tonyman1989 wrote:
lumpymunk wrote:
Shit like this is such a waste of time. This kind of interpretation/reinterpretation is so beside the point.


what do you think the point is?


Why debate what the name of a non-existent entity ever wasn't?
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