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Gerard Nemesis (archly so)

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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 7:51 pm Post subject: Jesus was black? |
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On the video section of the CNN site I saw a video about a new Jesus film called "Color of the Cross" by director Jean Claude Lamarre in which Jesus is depicted as a black man. In the interview TJ Holmes asks Lamarre if this is a metaphor of some kind or if this is meant as historically accurate. Lamarre answers that what we know of the area (Roman Palestine) would suggest that Jesus was probably black.
| Lamarre wrote: | | This film is probably closer to being historically accurate than anything we've seen previous. You kno, Mell Gibson Passion.... as much attention as Mel payed to detail still was a bit off in terms of the visual representation of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. I think everything that we know about that region of the world suggests that Jesus would in fact have been a person of color, probably a darker hue and definitely Semitic in nature. Obviously the images that we have been fed as a Christian community goes against everything that logic points to. |
The people surrounding Jesus in this movie seem to be black as well and the story suggests there was a racial division in Roman Palestine in the First Century that played a role in the crucifiction.
The movie is made by the people that set up this website
www.blackchristianmovies.com
I heard about Cleopatra and Socrates, but now Jesus is black too? Afrocentrism hooks up with Christianity?
Gerard _________________ The Historical Atlas of Europe
But as man exists in nature, I am not authorized to say that his formation, is above the power of nature.
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sleepr

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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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doesn't seem to be much of a website as far as content goes, maybe they are new... _________________ ??The more rational the argument sounds, the more likely it is to be Satan.?
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Hurtman2000 Atheist First Class

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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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The Discovery Channel has Jesus looking...well, my avatar is from their website . _________________ Two MUST hear and read gems: http://www.greylodge.org/gpc/?p=60 and
http://freethought.mbdojo.com/thanksgivingsermon.html
<----- This avatar is the computer image of what Jesus might have looked like was created from the skull of a 1st-century man. It presents a very different concept of Jesus' appearance from the Italian interpretation. (from the Discovery Channel) |
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Gerard Nemesis (archly so)

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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Hurtman2000 wrote: | The Discovery Channel has Jesus looking...well, my avatar is from their website . |
If there ever was a Jesus I suppose your avatar depiction has a bigger chance of being closer to what he looked like.
The interview is on the "watch video" section of the CNN site
http://us.cnn.com/
Rated "most popular"
Gerard _________________ The Historical Atlas of Europe
But as man exists in nature, I am not authorized to say that his formation, is above the power of nature.
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Not collecting stamps is my hobby.
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A_Atheist_named_Christian Forum Master


Joined: 31 Mar 2006 Posts: 2861 Local time: 8:32 PM Location: The Caribbean

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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Hurtman2000 wrote: | The Discovery Channel has Jesus looking...well, my avatar is from their website . |
The Discovery Channel also just aired several ghost stories and tried to pass them off as science.
But from the area as to where Jesus was supposed to have frequented, he would most likely not have been black.
And I have read from other articles that the movie in which Jesus is portrayed as black is meant to have a more metaphorical significance rather than literal. |
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jaycorath Inoffendable

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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 12:55 am Post subject: |
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the 'black jesus' seems to me just a reaction against the typically WHITE JESUS we're all familiar with.
As i've said on these forums many times: If Jesus had existed, he probably would have looked a lot like osama bin laden or some other such middle eastern terrorist. (which of course, isn't to say jesus is a terrorist, although i know any christian reading this pry jumped to that conclusion).
Although I think there's a chance jesus could have been a very dark skinned middle easterner. When we say "black" we usually mean "African", so he wouldn't have been black, but possibly could have been "black" in a less specifically african sense. _________________ "I love and treasure individuals as I meet them; I loathe and despise the groups they identify with and belong to" -George Carlin
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SvZurich Loki's Little Valkyrie

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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:49 am Post subject: |
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Oh come on people! Jesus was Nordic! Just look at the vast majority of the art! Surely that bias of those cultures isn't responsible for god's son's form, surely God is White! Just ask that paragon of Xian values known as the KKK if you doubt me. In fact, being lily white in the Middle East was HOW THEY KNEW HE WAS THE SON OF GOD! HE STOOD OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB!  _________________ Kimberly (HSBUH) aka
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Aridiris Sock Puppet

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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:45 am Post subject: |
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| jkorath wrote: |
As i've said on these forums many times: If Jesus had existed, he probably would have looked a lot like osama bin laden or some other such middle eastern terrorist. (which of course, isn't to say jesus is a terrorist, although i know any christian reading this pry jumped to that conclusion).
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Couldn't you have just said "middle eastern"? Do middle eastern terrorists look different from non-terrorist middle easterns?
Besides, everyone knows Jesus was Chinese.
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rickyroma Repressed hippy

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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 6:36 am Post subject: |
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| SvZurich wrote: | Oh come on people! Jesus was Nordic! Just look at the vast majority of the art! Surely that bias of those cultures isn't responsible for god's son's form, surely God is White! Just ask that paragon of Xian values known as the KKK if you doubt me. In fact, being lily white in the Middle East was HOW THEY KNEW HE WAS THE SON OF GOD! HE STOOD OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB!  |
Correct. Jesus was a good, strong, wholesome, clean-gened, pure-bloodied Aryan. _________________ Theists wank too. |
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Kelreth Forum Leader


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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:32 am Post subject: |
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| rickyroma wrote: | | SvZurich wrote: | Oh come on people! Jesus was Nordic! Just look at the vast majority of the art! Surely that bias of those cultures isn't responsible for god's son's form, surely God is White! Just ask that paragon of Xian values known as the KKK if you doubt me. In fact, being lily white in the Middle East was HOW THEY KNEW HE WAS THE SON OF GOD! HE STOOD OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB!  |
Correct. Jesus was a good, strong, wholesome, clean-gened, pure-bloodied Aryan. |
most definatly, nordic ftw! _________________
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Ophis Royal Citizen


Joined: 15 Feb 2006 Posts: 470 Local time: 1:32 AM Location: Manchester, UK
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:07 am Post subject: |
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| Jesus was Icelandic. Bjork is a direct descendant. |
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Gerard Nemesis (archly so)

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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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Nordic you say? Houston Stewart Chamberlain, who is regarded as one of the inspirors of certain aspects of National Socialism, argued that Jesus was in fact not Jewish but a descendant of the people who populated Galilee after the disappearance of the ten lost tribes. He hints that this population may have had some Aryan influences through the Greeks and Persians that ruled there for a long time (mind that Aryan applies in this sense to the Indo-European speaking people's and not nessecarily equals "Nordic").
| Quote: | | Chamberlain used a now discredited notion of the ethnic make up of Galilee to argue that, while Jesus may have been Jewish by religion, he was not Jewish by race. During the Nazi period certain pro-Nazi theologians developed these ideas as part of the manufacture of an Aryan Jesus. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_Stewart_Chamberlain
Fancifull notions about the ethnic build up of the Judean population of the time are nothing new it seems!
Gerard _________________ The Historical Atlas of Europe
But as man exists in nature, I am not authorized to say that his formation, is above the power of nature.
Paul Henri Thiry Baron d' Holbach, (1723-1789)
Not collecting stamps is my hobby.
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pr126 resident misanthrope

Joined: 03 Jan 2005 Posts: 8633 Local time: 12:32 AM Location: Londonistan

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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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How Nordic can you get? Inuit, maybe?
(looking in the bible if he wrestled with polar bears)
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SvZurich Loki's Little Valkyrie

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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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Jesus was most certainly Nordic.
Fair of skin, blue of eye, and sandy blond of hair, the art never lies!
He was but one of many sons of Thor. _________________ Kimberly (HSBUH) aka
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SvZurich Loki's Little Valkyrie

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Jesus was most certainly Nordic.
Fair of skin, blue of eye, and sandy blond of hair, the art never lies!
He was but one of many sons of Odin, and is linked to an aspect of Thor. _________________ Kimberly (HSBUH) aka
Baroness Sylvia von Zurich (the only Goldwater Conservative) endorses the Meadow Party's Bill and Opus for the 2012 Presidential election!
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