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JBCuzISaidSo
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 Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:59 am Post subject: Re: Jesus name; Important because it made "YHWH" v |
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| isixylixsis wrote: | Israel's revered secret, the so called "Ineffable Name" was made useless when Jesus achieved this:
By having in your mind not the name, but the one behind the name, then it's not really the name that matters.
Jesus name is the openly revealed name by which the secretly held YHWH was made void.
Jesus gave the power of the temple priests to the common people. The old Israeli priesthood, which had relied on the belief of the common people for its power (that no one but the priests had any hope of calling on God), was put to death.
Note: Everyone who calls on God believing that he will hear is always heard. But Jesus opened the minds of the people at the time, by giving people the hope they needed to believe that knowing the name of God was irrelevant. |
That whole post and the only word that fit is the very last one.
Learn to edit yourself!
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isixylixsis
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:10 am Post subject: Re: Jesus name; Important because it made "YHWH" v |
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| josephpalazzo wrote: | | isixylixsis wrote: | Israel's revered secret, the so called "Ineffable Name" was made useless when Jesus achieved this:
By having in your mind not the name, but the one behind the name, then it's not really the name that matters.
Jesus name is the openly revealed name by which the secretly held YHWH was made void.
Jesus gave the power of the temple priests to the common people. The old Israeli priesthood, which had relied on the belief of the common people for its power (that no one but the priests had any hope of calling on God), was put to death.
Note: Everyone who calls on God believing that he will hear is always heard. But Jesus opened the minds of the people at the time, by giving people the hope they needed to believe that knowing the name of God was irrelevant. |
This could be the beginning of a novel... might need a few editorials, but hard work and a lot of sucking around, and you would get yourself a best-seller... |
I was just hoping to have some part in getting people mystified by the freemasons to the point of dismissing it as a black hole for them.
I was all into the possibility that the big secret was that at the 33rd degree you come into knowledge of the highest structures governing human behavior, and how to have a direct hand in their operation.
But the name of Jesus gets around all of that without the degrees and secrecy, and gives that power to the common people.
So it's like the ark when Jeremiah opened it: There's nothing there but a dead stick. |
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isixylixsis
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:14 am Post subject: Re: Jesus name; Important because it made "YHWH" v |
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| JBCuzISaidSo wrote: | | isixylixsis wrote: | Israel's revered secret, the so called "Ineffable Name" was made useless when Jesus achieved this:
By having in your mind not the name, but the one behind the name, then it's not really the name that matters.
Jesus name is the openly revealed name by which the secretly held YHWH was made void.
Jesus gave the power of the temple priests to the common people. The old Israeli priesthood, which had relied on the belief of the common people for its power (that no one but the priests had any hope of calling on God), was put to death.
Note: Everyone who calls on God believing that he will hear is always heard. But Jesus opened the minds of the people at the time, by giving people the hope they needed to believe that knowing the name of God was irrelevant. |
That whole post and the only word that fit is the very last one.
Learn to edit yourself! |
I can't edit myself. Any machine's attempt to reprogram itself will only result in the original programming or corruption. |
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:18 am Post subject: Re: Jesus name; Important because it made "YHWH" v |
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| isixylixsis wrote: | | But the name of Jesus gets around all of that without the degrees and secrecy, and gives that power to the common people. |
So what you're essentially saying is "here is an idea that works better than what we currently have, so let's believe this instead". By any standard that's completely ridiculous, all you're doing is wallpapering over the cracks to make it all look nice and fresh, but that won't ever change the fact that the cracks exist. |
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isixylixsis
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 12:36 am Post subject: Re: Jesus name; Important because it made "YHWH" v |
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| Naoryunosuke wrote: | | isixylixsis wrote: | | But the name of Jesus gets around all of that without the degrees and secrecy, and gives that power to the common people. |
So what you're essentially saying is "here is an idea that works better than what we currently have, so let's believe this instead". By any standard that's completely ridiculous, all you're doing is wallpapering over the cracks to make it all look nice and fresh, but that won't ever change the fact that the cracks exist. |
Jesus said the same thing with regard to religion, which is applying an external standard to what's already corrupt.
Mat 9:16 No man putteth a piece of new cloth unto an old garment, for that which is put in to fill it up taketh from the garment, and the rent is made worse. |
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Naoryunosuke
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 6:08 am Post subject: Re: Jesus name; Important because it made "YHWH" v |
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| isixylixsis wrote: | | Mat 9:16 No man putteth a piece of new cloth unto an old garment, for that which is put in to fill it up taketh from the garment, and the rent is made worse. |
And yet that's exactly what you're doing, so why not for once just practice what you preach. You're here in the Christian forums interpreting texts in the most ridiculous ways and quite frankly it would be an embarrassment to Christians.
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isixylixsis
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 2:30 pm Post subject: Re: Jesus name; Important because it made "YHWH" v |
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| Naoryunosuke wrote: | | isixylixsis wrote: | | Mat 9:16 No man putteth a piece of new cloth unto an old garment, for that which is put in to fill it up taketh from the garment, and the rent is made worse. |
And yet that's exactly what you're doing, so why not for once just practice what you preach. You're here in the Christian forums interpreting texts in the most ridiculous ways and quite frankly it would be an embarrassment to Christians. |
That's not what I'm doing. What I'm doing here I do in the liberty of my conscience. If it is hypocritical or hurts someone else, then it needs to be made known to me (I don't know what I'm doing, other than I do it in a clear conscience).
Christians on another forum have called me a heretic. I don't know what I'm regarded by the people around me (no one tells me). It may embarass Christians. I know in my own conscience that it does not embarass Christ, and that will stand on judgment day. Whatever I do, I do it to Christ, knowing he will judge me at the end for everything. |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 2:33 pm Post subject: Re: Jesus name; Important because it made "YHWH" v |
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| isixylixsis wrote: | | Naoryunosuke wrote: | | isixylixsis wrote: | | Mat 9:16 No man putteth a piece of new cloth unto an old garment, for that which is put in to fill it up taketh from the garment, and the rent is made worse. |
And yet that's exactly what you're doing, so why not for once just practice what you preach. You're here in the Christian forums interpreting texts in the most ridiculous ways and quite frankly it would be an embarrassment to Christians. |
That's not what I'm doing. What I'm doing here I do in the liberty of my conscience. If it is hypocritical or hurts someone else, then it needs to be made known to me (I don't know what I'm doing, other than I do it in a clear conscience).
Christians on another forum have called me a heretic. I don't know what I'm regarded by the people around me (no one tells me). It may embarass Christians. I know in my own conscience that it does not embarass Christ, and that will stand on judgment day. Whatever I do, I do it to Christ, knowing he will judge me at the end for everything. |
so, basically, just pulled out of your ass with no basis in facts, reality or reason.
whenever someone replies "i just KNOW" to being questioned, they should automatically be treated as if they're full of shit.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 2:39 pm Post subject: Re: Jesus name; Important because it made "YHWH" v |
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| Moloth wrote: |
so, basically, just pulled out of your ass with no basis in facts, reality or reason.
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Is that how you would respond to your friends? That could crush someone's heart. I almost thought you were telling me that what I live and breath is vain and useless.
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whenever someone replies "i just KNOW" to being questioned, they should automatically be treated as if they're full of shit. |
As long as you apply that rule to your own axioms, and as long as you never say, "Well, everybody just knows that!" Or, "Well that's just common sense".
The difference is that when I rest on my axioms, I rest on axioms not shared by the community. But to treat someone as vain because they rest on axioms you can't validate is a good way to seriously damage a large number of people through the subtle influence of anger in the words that you use. |
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I find the whole idea of a god-man-savior just silly. isix's poetic won't change that.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:03 pm Post subject: Re: Jesus name; Important because it made "YHWH" v |
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| isixylixsis wrote: | | Moloth wrote: |
so, basically, just pulled out of your ass with no basis in facts, reality or reason.
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Is that how you would respond to your friends? That could crush someone's heart. I almost thought you were telling me that what I live and breath is vain and useless.
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whenever someone replies "i just KNOW" to being questioned, they should automatically be treated as if they're full of shit. |
As long as you apply that rule to your own axioms, and as long as you never say, "Well, everybody just knows that!" Or, "Well that's just common sense".
The difference is that when I rest on my axioms, I rest on axioms not shared by the community. But to treat someone as vain because they rest on axioms you can't validate is a good way to seriously damage a large number of people through the subtle influence of anger in the words that you use. |
1. yes, it is how i respond to my friends when they say something stupid. you can ASK them. they'll be quick to agree.
2. my own axioms? such as? i have never uttered "Well, everybody just knows that!" or "Well that's just common sense" with any seriousness.
why rest on 'axioms' anyways? how about resting on.. gee, i dunno.. facts?
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject: Re: Jesus name; Important because it made "YHWH" v |
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| Moloth wrote: |
whenever someone replies "i just KNOW" to being questioned, they should automatically be treated as if they're full of shit. |
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Moloth, the earth is only 6000 years old. I just know it. I feel it in my heart. |
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isixylixsis
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| kmisho wrote: | | I find the whole idea of a god-man-savior just silly. isix's poetic won't change that. |
I don't intend to.
Even if you are self-sufficient, you rely wholly on the efforts of everyone you depend on.
This forum, your computer, electricity, everything.
That's a fragile dependency. How rugged are you? I ask that sincerely. |
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isixylixsis
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:26 pm Post subject: Re: Jesus name; Important because it made "YHWH" v |
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| Moloth wrote: |
1. yes, it is how i respond to my friends when they say something stupid. you can ASK them. they'll be quick to agree.
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Ok. Is it such a stupid thing for me now to say, "I'm honored to be spoken to as a friend"? It's amazing what a shift in perspective does.
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2. my own axioms? such as? i have never uttered "Well, everybody just knows that!" or "Well that's just common sense" with any seriousness.
why rest on 'axioms' anyways? how about resting on.. gee, i dunno.. facts? |
Where do facts come from?
Unless you directly see or hear something, what else do you have but a statement you trust?
What about logic? What is it but "A leads to B"? And what does the leading? How far do you break down your thinking?
And no one can figure out the beginning or end of a thing.
Ecc 3:11 He has made everything worthy to behold at their appropriate time: also he has put infinity at the very center of them, so that no man can reason the beginning or the end of God's work.
Do you rely on memory for facts? Or do you check the source every time you cite the fact.
Do you travel the world to validate historical fact? Or do you trust that where it comes from would never even let a lie slip in?
Of course it's ridiculous to demand this sort of error checking.
So we all rely on axioms, which are statements that we agree are true, since otherwise we would forever be validating the truth of a thing. |
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