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Specus_Meretricis
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 5:58 pm Post subject:

Whitefox wrote:

Specus_Meretricis wrote:

To paraphrase. You don't listen to us, so I don't bother to listen to you.

I detect a lot of anger toward Christians in your replies. Even though this thread is about the danger of talking to you I thought I would try. Can you tell me, is there a personal reason why you are so angry?
Ray,

I dont' feel angry, I just think you are stupid to try anything to get some kind of "sympathy" going. We have nothing in common. Using your bible to "prove" your point means nothing to me. You are not the victim and neither are the people of your faith. So presenting either to get a toe in the door is not only useless, but silly.
The only thing "personal" I have against your type, is that my grandfather, who is a Baptist and very involved in his church, is a REAL Christan. He would never stoop to these tactics to try to start a conversation. He and I use to have long talks and most of the conversation was him asking as many questions as he could. He never once brought out his Bible or yanked some obscure bit of history out of his ass.
I had seen him convert many people, offer them comfort and strength, and be a pillar and cornerstone of his church. He is everything I believe all Christians should be. Not the online "drive by preaching" lazy assholes that have flooded this board lately. Including you.

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Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 6:03 pm Post subject:

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Did you know that skeptics of the Christian faith used to accuse Christians of being Atheists in the first century? They called Christians Atheists and martyred them for this because they refused to believe

So that's where Christians picked up the practice.
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Specus_Meretricis
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 6:07 pm Post subject:

rickyroma wrote:

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So that's where Christians picked up the practice.

Trout XIII
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 6:34 pm Post subject:

Specus_Meretricis wrote:

I had seen him convert many people, offer them comfort and strength, and be a pillar and cornerstone of his church. He is everything I believe all Christians should be. Not the online "drive by preaching" lazy assholes that have flooded this board lately. Including you.

His tactics didn't work all that well on you though, right?

Why not?
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Polaris

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Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 6:37 pm Post subject:

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His tactics didn't work all that well on you though, right?

Why not?

Because she doesn't have a psychological need for a magical security blanket, she can deal with uncertainty and think for herself?!

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Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 6:49 pm Post subject:

Polaris wrote:

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His tactics didn't work all that well on you though, right?

Why not?

Because she doesn't have a psychological need for a magical security blanket, she can deal with uncertainty and think for herself?!

Having read some of Specus_Meretricis' fine rants I can assure you that she's capable of speaking for herself.
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 7:01 pm Post subject:

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Having read some of Specus_Meretricis' fine rants I can assure you that she's capable of speaking for herself

No kidding! So I can't chime in, does it threaten your masculinity? Obviously it hits some nerve.

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Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 7:16 pm Post subject:

Polaris wrote:

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Having read some of Specus_Meretricis' fine rants I can assure you that she's capable of speaking for herself

No kidding! So I can't chime in, does it threaten your masculinity? Obviously it hits some nerve.

My masculinity is terribly threatened.
I'm thinking about leaving several raw meat decoys around the house should Specus_Meretricis ever stumble into my home.
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Specus_Meretricis
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 7:54 pm Post subject:

Meh_Gerbil wrote:

Polaris wrote:

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Having read some of Specus_Meretricis' fine rants I can assure you that she's capable of speaking for herself

No kidding! So I can't chime in, does it threaten your masculinity? Obviously it hits some nerve.

My masculinity is terribly threatened.
I'm thinking about leaving several raw meat decoys around the house should Specus_Meretricis ever stumble into my home.

Ahhhh...another satisfied victim-er customer! Thank you for flying The Internet! Have a nice day!

Specus_Meretricis
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 7:58 pm Post subject:

Trout XIII wrote:

Specus_Meretricis wrote:

His tactics didn't work all that well on you though, right?

Why not?

Because I understand what is real and what is wishful thinking. I also understand the history of religion and know that all the claims made are either flat out lies or impossible. No one's tactics could ever work on me since the questions I have are either responded with the wrong answer or ignored (hence Gerbil saying "I don't listen"). Saying my grandfather is not a hypocrite or lazy does not mean I agree with him. Nor does it mean you are in a position to find him at fault because he could not convince me of anything.

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Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 8:02 pm Post subject:

Specus_Meretricis wrote:

Nor does it mean you are in a position to find him at fault because he could not convince me of anything.

I wouldn't find him faulty in his display of Christianity, it sounds like he is a fine man.

I was just wondering why he wasn't a more persuasive influence on you, that's all.

Did you tell him how you feel about Christianity?
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 8:04 pm Post subject:

Trout XIII wrote:

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Did you tell him how you feel about Christianity?

Or did you skip the feelings and talk about what you think?

Specus_Meretricis
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Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 8:08 pm Post subject:

Trout XIII wrote:

Specus_Meretricis wrote:

Nor does it mean you are in a position to find him at fault because he could not convince me of anything.

I told him how I felt about religion as a whole. At any point, when I am saying something negative about Christianity, you can pretty much replace it with "Islam" or "Hinduism" or "Wicca". It's all the same to me. He, as well as anyone who I have discussed this with seriously, has never given me a reason to believe in the unbelievable.
And keep in mind, if there is a religion that I am "okay" with over any others, it is Christianity. Only because I had a very positive upbringing in a very nice church and see what Christians are capable of when they aren't acting like used car salesmen.

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Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 8:25 pm Post subject:

Specus_Meretricis wrote:

I can certainly understand that.

Specus_Meretricis wrote:

And keep in mind, if there is a religion that I am "okay" with over any others, it is Christianity. Only because I had a very positive upbringing in a very nice church and see what Christians are capable of when they aren't acting like used car salesmen.

I can certainly agree with that as well. I don't think Christianity is represented very well today as a whole. The whole Rick Warren, Benny Hinn, Creflo Dollar, Kenneth Copeland et. al. scene makes me cringe. I know many fine Christians who serve humanity with willing and glad hearts who when they act, I can almost see Christ in them. My wife is one of those people. I am always astounded at her Christianity in action. She could care less about words sprayed over the internet, or which philosopher holds which position. For her Christianity is serving Christ by serving her family and neighbors. She's my hero, she may be a lot like your grandfather.
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 11:03 am Post subject:

To Specus_Mereticis

Did your grandfather and family take well to your atheism?

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For her Christianity is serving Christ by serving her family and neighbors. She's my hero, she may be a lot like your grandfather

No it's not her christianity it is her morals and kindness as a fellow human being, religion has nothing to do with it.
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