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Windg0d
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So, If I am reading this post right, all things that could one day could have proof means deep down you beleive in it. This renders absoulutly EVERYTHING valid.
Ahem, The flying cookie monster might someday have evidence, therfore, since I would then consider/accept it, I kinda beleive in it.
(Insert mythical creature here) might someday have evidence, therefore, since I would then consider/accept it, I kinda beleive in it. |
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kmisho
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| Newman wrote: | | Hugga_Bear wrote: | | Newman wrote: | | Hugga_Bear wrote: | To be fair if the christian God did turn out to exist I would not worship it, if it gave me the choice of course.
Its too sadistic, too twisted to be revered. The christian God is in my eyes like Dorian Gray, many percieve it as the height of culture, the most magnificent of beings, yet it is horribly corrupted at its core.
Maybe one day everyone will realise it? |
well if He existed as you say, so would Hell, you would simply rather go to hell? |
I would be going to hell anyway surely?
But yes I suppose I would, im too damned blockheaded to choose the right path, id rather be damne for being me then have eternal salvation for being a coward.
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 I seriously doubt it, but ok |
If god sends anyone to hell, it proves he's not god anyway. Which means you were right to doubt he was god.
The only thing that could convince me, and that I could truly consider to be a sign, would be if I WAS god for a while. But there can't be 2 gods can there? Or can god allow multiple copies of himself to exist if he wants? But if he did, which one would you worship? Would it make a difference since they were all the same?
So at this point I am not sure that god can even supply a sign that I would find convincing.
You may say you doubt statements like this. But the problem is that I am aware of schizophrenia, hallucination, delusion, optical illusion. I have known schizophrenics, counted one as a friend.
One time he went off his meds and became absolutely and utterly convinced that he was going to inherit a million dollars and as a consequence marry his favorite disc jockey and become governor of Virginia. No amount of argumentation or demonstration could possibly convince him that he was...completely whacko, to put it simply.
So it seems entirely reasonable and even responsible to me that I would require a sign on a par with the certainty and absurdity of a schizophrenic delusion while at the same time somehow knowing for sure that I was not schizophrenic.
I do not see how this is possible, to have schizophrenic experiences and know you are not schizophrenic. On the other hand, nearly all schizophrenics are totally convinced of the reality of their delusions. If I fell into this category, literally everything could seem to me to be a sign from god and yet not be.
All these things considered, I do not see how it is even theoretically possible to receive a sign from god. I simply know too much about how easily and in how many ways our sense perceptions can go wrong.
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sportspadawan13
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| Man, you guys really do look at the negative sides to everything. As a christian (who believes in many things), you guys really don't accept anything but your own beliefs. It's weird that this whole forum is based on freethinking, yet you guys won't allow it. |
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joshuas3521
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Troll 
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RyanDzundza
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| Quote: | Necormancer has a supernatural ability to bring long-dead forum discussion threads back to life. After having been flogged to death the thread may have been deceased for many years, and bringing it back may have scant relevance to the current topic, yet Necromancer will unexpectedly exhume the thread’s rotting corpse, and strike horror in the forum as its grotesque form lurches into the discussion. The monster, instantly recognized by all who knew it in life, seems at first to breathe and have a pulse, but, alas, it is beyond Necromancer’s skill to fully restore the thread’s original vitality. The hideous apparition may frighten away some of the weaker Warriors or Warriors badly wounded in former battles, but the thread is only a shadow of its former self and very quickly expires.
Unlike Archivist, Necromancer compulsively saves every forum message in carefully preserved archives for future use in battle, while Necromancer collects departed threads merely for the thrill of resurrecting them. Some say he performs this unnatural act out of malice, others say he can’t help himself, but no one really knows. |
remind you of a new user lol
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Raskolnikov
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| sportspadawan13 wrote: | | Man, you guys really do look at the negative sides to everything. |
And what, exactly, is wrong with that?
| sportspadawan13 wrote: | | As a christian (who believes in many things), |
Like your belief in a cosmic Jewish zombie who demands that people telepathically accept him as their master so he can drive an evil force out of us that was put into us because a dust-man and a rib-woman were convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree makes perfect sense. 
| sportspadawan13 wrote: | | you guys really don't accept anything but your own beliefs. |
A bold-faced lie and a completely and utterly ignorant statement on your part.
| sportspadawan13 wrote: | | It's weird that this whole forum is based on freethinking, yet you guys won't allow it. |
Another ignorant and utterly baseless statement. Proving the things you say may help you're stance, you know.
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