Heaven is Hell, Hell is Heaven

BlessedAdversary · Intern Joined: 09 Mar 2008 Posts: 35 Local time: 6:41 AM

I can realize within my own reality, that reward without risk, or success without fear of failure, is cheap and of little value. And I'm not even god.

I can also tell from my own experience, that my brain is in some way preconditioned to experience great lengths of time in a matter of seconds. Through dreams that seem to last for hours, but have been scientifically documented as having only lasted 30-90 seconds.

So with the gift of life, and health(i am fortunate), and the promise of great rewards in the afterlife, I can only assume that the punishment for failure, after receiving such gifts, is equally painful and horrific.

Within a reality i already know holds the possibility for an eternal torment experience, (through timelapse in dreaming for this example), I can't help accept the fact that there is a reason, and way for Hell to happen to me.

And i do believe it would happen to me. I assume hell to be a very dark and personal place, devoid of cynicism, yet also devoid of hope, as surely God does not permit his light to penetrate the darkness. But as much as I like Dante's inferno, and Paradise Lost, we don't have an account for Hell, but holy fuck its fucking HELL!! are you are all out your fucking minds? It's demons, and torture, and giant spiders. Giant fucking spiders with 40 legs, all with their own little mouths screaming your name in your mothers voice. Asking you why you didn't listen, oh if only you had listened. And you'll cry and scream but they wont care. Noone will care, and the righteous will be vindicated in your torture. Smile

Hell scares the shit out of me.

howgoyoufar · Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject:

"And i do believe it would happen to me. I assume hell to be a very dark and personal place, devoid of cynicism, yet also devoid of hope, as surely God does not permit his light to penetrate the darkness. But as much as I like Dante's inferno, and Paradise Lost, we don't have an account for Hell, but holy fuck its fucking HELL!! are you are all out your fucking minds? It's demons, and torture, and giant spiders. Giant fucking spiders with 40 legs, all with their own little mouths screaming your name in your mothers voice. Asking you why you didn't listen, oh if only you had listened. And you'll cry and scream but they wont care. Noone will care, and the righteous will be vindicated in your torture. Hell scares the shit out of me."

And why would you believe in something that scares you so much?
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aitm · Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:25 pm Post subject:

A universe 40 to 50 billion light years across. Hundred million light year galaxies complete with the most fasinating and perplexing phenomenah that the human mind could ever concieve. Yet somewhere in this midst, lie a small galaxy, a mere fraction of the universes breadth, and within that a planet microscopic to its own galaxy let alone the universe, and scattered about that planet billions of schemeing creatures arrogant in their beliefs of granduer but in all mere vessels that carry the life forms of billions of smaller creatures that created them a million years ago as pre-historic Queen Mary's.
And yet these arrogant creatures toss a proud tassled head towards the billions of stars and proclaim to the deaf ears of the universe, "I am the creation of a GOD."
The universe would laugh at such insolence......if it could. But in time, it will not matter, for to the universe a million years is nothing, and soon the quagmire that is the revolving galaxies shall devour the last insolent arrogant mite into the oblivion that is infinity.
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BlessedAdversary · Intern Joined: 09 Mar 2008 Posts: 35 Local time: 6:41 AM

But it is easier to believe, that in the insurmountable vastness of space,( comprised of nothing that will add anything but death in an immediate experience) the existence of but one place capable of sustaining conscious realization of that space, is but a statistical anomaly?

aitm · Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:10 pm Post subject:

We consider this to be an anomaly but our thinking is in reverse. We look at the finished product and proclaim that this is just too perfect and too hard to have just happened instead of realizing that it makes no difference where or when the planet may be or was born but that in time at some location the circumstances would permit life. Now the thing here is we think that the circumstances are perfect and therefore too perfect for happenstance, when the reality is that our existance is not out of a perfect harmony and blend of universal relationships, but life happened because of all the things needed for life to exist, there are minimums and maximums that fill a plethora of possibiilties.
We perhaps just fit the minimum of possibilities and thus, life has sprung and evolution gave rise to thinking rational creatures who now, boast in arrogance that only a God could have thusly done, when the reality is a billion scenarios could have filled the same role and we would be none the wiser but still the arrogant. The universe is filled with life, we have yet to find it, you and I will never see it, but I rest assured that happenstance, anomalies, chance even luck are far better answers than magic. Magic is foolish, and a gods power is nothing more than magic. For magic is creating what, from what was not.
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BlessedAdversary · Intern Joined: 09 Mar 2008 Posts: 35 Local time: 6:41 AM

So you believe in a hidden unnamed God, with a great cosmic mystery which you as of yet have not discovered.

You don't sound like an atheist. You sound like a Protestant that watches Star Trek.

aitm · Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:29 pm Post subject:

There are no gods that man recognize as such. This has already been proven by the inanity of their respective books. None of them stand the light of reason let alone the minimal science we have.
You cannot convince me that of the universe, trees, butterflies, DNA strands, and the human eye, of all these creations and more that prove to you beyond the doubt of your gods existence and omnescience that the best it could do with creative writing was the bible?
Erma Bombeck won a pulitzer fer crying out loud.
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BlessedAdversary · Intern Joined: 09 Mar 2008 Posts: 35 Local time: 6:41 AM

You believe in unseeable mysterious forces in the universe, that you will never be able to witness firsthand.

I understand your distrust of organized religion, but what you believe is the primitive notion of what God is.

Moloth · Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:06 pm Post subject:

BlessedAdversary · Intern Joined: 09 Mar 2008 Posts: 35 Local time: 6:41 AM

And what surprises you about an all encompassing God, that can also be glorified in mathematics?

Moloth · Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:22 pm Post subject:

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