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because he's omniscient and perfect and He CAN'T be wrong! he's GOD, afterall!
Because, if He were able to be WRONG, about ANYTHING, EVER, he wouldn't BE God!
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| Moloth wrote: | because he's omniscient and perfect and He CAN'T be wrong! he's GOD, afterall!
Because, if He were able to be WRONG, about ANYTHING, EVER, he wouldn't BE God! |
According to the opinion of most atheists this "God" character is wrong. Yet you still call him God. After ordering some of his creations to kill other of his creations, isn't God wrong when he claims he's good? Even if it were proven that this "God" character existed, what reason would there be to have faith he's right? Perhaps Satan was right, how do we know? Maybe hell is one big party and God only calls it torment because he doesn't want us having fun.
God "CAN'T be wrong!" only if you first have faith God's opinion of himself is absolutely right. |
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Enemy_of_Real1ty
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| atheod wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | because he's omniscient and perfect and He CAN'T be wrong! he's GOD, afterall!
Because, if He were able to be WRONG, about ANYTHING, EVER, he wouldn't BE God! |
According to the opinion of most atheists this "God" character is wrong. Yet you still call him God. After ordering some of his creations to kill other of his creations, isn't God wrong when he claims he's good? Even if it were proven that this "God" character existed, what reason would there be to have faith he's right? Perhaps Satan was right, how do we know? Maybe hell is one big party and God only calls it torment because he doesn't want us having fun.
God "CAN'T be wrong!" only if you first have faith God's opinion of himself is absolutely right. |
So if I don't have faith in god his opinion of himself drops? 
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Moloth
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| atheod wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | because he's omniscient and perfect and He CAN'T be wrong! he's GOD, afterall!
Because, if He were able to be WRONG, about ANYTHING, EVER, he wouldn't BE God! |
According to the opinion of most atheists this "God" character is wrong. Yet you still call him God. After ordering some of his creations to kill other of his creations, isn't God wrong when he claims he's good? Even if it were proven that this "God" character existed, what reason would there be to have faith he's right? Perhaps Satan was right, how do we know? Maybe hell is one big party and God only calls it torment because he doesn't want us having fun.
God "CAN'T be wrong!" only if you first have faith God's opinion of himself is absolutely right. |
actually, no... there is no entity that we call God. thats the whole point. its like saying "square-circle". it is meaningless to us.
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| Enemy_of_Real1ty wrote: | | atheod wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | because he's omniscient and perfect and He CAN'T be wrong! he's GOD, afterall!
Because, if He were able to be WRONG, about ANYTHING, EVER, he wouldn't BE God! |
According to the opinion of most atheists this "God" character is wrong. Yet you still call him God. After ordering some of his creations to kill other of his creations, isn't God wrong when he claims he's good? Even if it were proven that this "God" character existed, what reason would there be to have faith he's right? Perhaps Satan was right, how do we know? Maybe hell is one big party and God only calls it torment because he doesn't want us having fun.
God "CAN'T be wrong!" only if you first have faith God's opinion of himself is absolutely right. |
So if I don't have faith in god his opinion of himself drops? |
That's why he needs us to worship him. Without us, he is nothing... |
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Without having read any of this thread, I always wondered (moreso when I was a Christian) what reason Satan would have for eternally torturing those who he would be most likely to find agreeable. Or is it even Satan doing the torturing.
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munky99999
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| Wander wrote: | | Without having read any of this thread, I always wondered (moreso when I was a Christian) what reason Satan would have for eternally torturing those who he would be most likely to find agreeable. Or is it even Satan doing the torturing. |
already brought up the question... nobody has answered this for me. Not this thread...not any other thread... and not in real life mmog.
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| munky99999 wrote: | | Wander wrote: | | Without having read any of this thread, I always wondered (moreso when I was a Christian) what reason Satan would have for eternally torturing those who he would be most likely to find agreeable. Or is it even Satan doing the torturing. |
already brought up the question... nobody has answered this for me. Not this thread...not any other thread... and not in real life mmog. |
that is a good question i dont think an atheist could properly answer. Im definatley going to use this question next time im in a conversation with a christian.
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| Wander wrote: | | Without having read any of this thread, I always wondered (moreso when I was a Christian) what reason Satan would have for eternally torturing those who he would be most likely to find agreeable. Or is it even Satan doing the torturing. |
One answer would be: It's Satan's nature to torture, that's why he's evil, and that's God's will...
Ok, that was three answers... |
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Enemy_of_Real1ty
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| josephpalazzo wrote: | | Wander wrote: | | Without having read any of this thread, I always wondered (moreso when I was a Christian) what reason Satan would have for eternally torturing those who he would be most likely to find agreeable. Or is it even Satan doing the torturing. |
One answer would be: It's Satan's nature to torture, that's why he's evil, and that's God's will...
Ok, that was three answers... |
Satan was orignally an angel in heaven who wanted more power, and depending on what bible you read Lucifer and his band of soon to be "demons"try to overthrow god, nearly do it, then they are cast out of heaven.
Just seems like greed was a motivator, or since history is written by the winners it was a revolution because the angels knew god was a dick ruler perhaps?
Either way you look at it you never hear of Lucifer becoming evil, just his fall from heaven and his position as ruler of hell. So he could be a nice guy.
Now another fallacy is discovered in religion, if god created the angels, that means he also created the devil, but without the intention of Lucifer becoming the devil. ( at least no where I've read does it claim god had the intention to do so.)
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Fun thoughts,
Lets pretend for a second that it's all true...
I think it's likely that the whole "torture you for eternity" shit was propoganda for heaven to recruit more "troops" than hell. All of the commandment/theology shit is just conditioning you to take orders from gawd without thinking. I always pictured an actual battle of sorts. Hopefully it will be medieval style and we'll all get sweet swords and armor.
/daydream off
I remember a transition period in my deconversion where I thought a lot about this and I came to the conclusion that I would rather fight against god in hell than support a god who did THIS to mankind.
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Moloth
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dammit, dammit, dammit... i have graphic novels' worth of material just sitting in notes and in the back of my mind... this is driving me nertz!
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Enemy_of_Real1ty
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| Moloth wrote: | | dammit, dammit, dammit... i have graphic novels' worth of material just sitting in notes and in the back of my mind... this is driving me nertz! |
Do something with it, write out an outline or start sketchiing characters and giving them backrounds
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Moloth
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| Enemy_of_Real1ty wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | | dammit, dammit, dammit... i have graphic novels' worth of material just sitting in notes and in the back of my mind... this is driving me nertz! |
Do something with it, write out an outline or start sketchiing characters and giving them backrounds |
oh, i already have. its all in my notebooks, just ready to be written out.
i just don;t have time or an art team to actualize it right now. 
one day, though, godammit, i'm gonna make a million with the story.
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| Enemy_of_Real1ty wrote: | | atheod wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | because he's omniscient and perfect and He CAN'T be wrong! he's GOD, afterall!
Because, if He were able to be WRONG, about ANYTHING, EVER, he wouldn't BE God! |
According to the opinion of most atheists this "God" character is wrong. Yet you still call him God. After ordering some of his creations to kill other of his creations, isn't God wrong when he claims he's good? Even if it were proven that this "God" character existed, what reason would there be to have faith he's right? Perhaps Satan was right, how do we know? Maybe hell is one big party and God only calls it torment because he doesn't want us having fun.
God "CAN'T be wrong!" only if you first have faith God's opinion of himself is absolutely right. |
So if I don't have faith in god his opinion of himself drops? |
No, your opinion of him drops.
| Moloth wrote: | | atheod wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | because he's omniscient and perfect and He CAN'T be wrong! he's GOD, afterall!
Because, if He were able to be WRONG, about ANYTHING, EVER, he wouldn't BE God! |
According to the opinion of most atheists this "God" character is wrong. Yet you still call him God. After ordering some of his creations to kill other of his creations, isn't God wrong when he claims he's good? Even if it were proven that this "God" character existed, what reason would there be to have faith he's right? Perhaps Satan was right, how do we know? Maybe hell is one big party and God only calls it torment because he doesn't want us having fun.
God "CAN'T be wrong!" only if you first have faith God's opinion of himself is absolutely right. |
actually, no... there is no entity that we call God. thats the whole point. its like saying "square-circle". it is meaningless to us. |
Look into the God of open theism. The Calvinist God is like a square circle and is thus meaningless. The God of open theism is much more logical and Biblical for that matter. |
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