Heart...brain...Jesus...what the flux?!?!

Shiranu

Okay, I do not have my bible on me, and its where I have some of the verses highlighted (I will try to find them online in a minute), but multiple times Jesus says to, "Believe in God with your heart" or other variations of the phrase that imply that the heart is the hub for intellectual process, which today we know to be false.

Who is Jesus? God incarnate, or so it says in part of the bible. It also says he is less than god. So, its kinda hard as to which to consider him.

Now, who created man? Well, in the bible, it says god. If Jesus is god (or even less than god), would Jesus not know that the brain is where thoughts happen, and that the heart is used to pump and regulate the flow of blood? I mean, if he is God, then he created man, for christ's sake! You would think he would understand how what he created works! And if he is the son, was he not there during the creation story? Or was he a sleep, reading a good book, watching his favorite sitcom, etc. etc.? He believed in Adam and Eve I believe, so that implies he was there, even though we know that story to be complete bullshit nowadays (well, WE know, creationists seem to think it still believable, despite any evidence).

Why would Jesus tell people to use their hearts? I have heard it argued, "Well, its just a manner of speaking, you know that!"... why yes, today, it IS a manner of speaking. However, back in the Pre-Renaissance days, they did NOT know this. The New Testiment (And probablly the Old Testiment has places where it has god saying to use your heart, im not sure) was written (and re-written) during a time when people honestly belived the heart to be the center of thought. It was not, "Just a figure of speech" back then, this is what they believed!

"Well, maybe Jesus didn't want to confuse them, or spoil the surpise. It wasn't jesus' roll to come and make us understand science more.". ... Jesus is perfect, is he not? Would a perfect being lie? Even a white lie... does this mean lying is okay? He has lied numerious times before ("The world will end this generation!"), so its not like it was even an isolated incident... why is lying okay for Jesus, but wrong for us, if he is perfect?

*Shrug* Im just very confused as to how they can rationalize this. Am I maybe missing something, or is this just as ridicilous as it seems?
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Vyrian · Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:05 am Post subject:

Who needs a missing bible when www.skepticsannotatedbible.com is the next best, well it is the much better thing.
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Shiranu · Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:09 am Post subject:

Cant carry it around with me, and ask people who try to preach to me various questions straight from it Razz

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ShaSha · Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:28 am Post subject:

Believing with your heart is feeling the emotions that go with the thoughts regarding spiritual ideas, i.e. god. That is why you are going to have devoted theists tell you that you can't believe or not believe based on reason alone.

Shiranu · Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:32 am Post subject:

Okay, I think you completely missed what im saying. Thats what it means today, yes. Back when Jesus would have said it, it was literal, "The heart is thinking x".
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ShaSha · Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:39 am Post subject:

Shiranu · Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:51 am Post subject:

Okay, what else would they have thought heart to mean?

So, if I tell you hearing is ran by your nose, and you die believing this, but your son/daughter discovers, "hey, we hear with our ears!", that means I didn't really lie to you?

I believe he was being literal, as humans have been saying that shit forever.
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Mr_C · Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:23 am Post subject:

They did believe that your conscience was in your kidneys. See Rev 2:23, Psalm 7:9, Psalm 16:7, etc.
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Mr_C · Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:07 am Post subject:

My kidneys hurt Sad

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Shiranu · Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 4:57 am Post subject:

Sorry, just remebered this thread.

So, its okay to believe the heart some how holds the property of conciousness, even though thats scientifically impossible? Why?
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lumpymunk · Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 4:09 pm Post subject:

Awesome, another uninteresting thread.
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