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Knight_of_BAAWA
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The thing is that there has been consideration of the idea of there being other possibilities. It's been rejected because there aren't any. Jointly exhaustive.
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| CET wrote: | | Then consider if there may be other possibilities. You don't even seem willing to try to consider the possibility. If you don't consider the possibility, you will never find out. |
But what do you want me to consider?
It's easier to consider the existance of faires, elves and ghosts, there are people that can roughly describe them.
How in the hell am I supposed to consider something you can't even begin to describe?
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 10:40 am Post subject: |
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| Ivan_Ivanov wrote: | | CET wrote: | | Then consider if there may be other possibilities. You don't even seem willing to try to consider the possibility. If you don't consider the possibility, you will never find out. |
But what do you want me to consider?
It's easier to consider the existance of faires, elves and ghosts, there are people that can roughly describe them.
How in the hell am I supposed to consider something you can't even begin to describe? |
I am certain that no third alternative could possibly exist.
you have a fully controlled economy, or fully free economy, and you can be somewhere between the two, but you still have this true dichotomy. |
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CET
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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Considering the possibility of a 3rd alternative has nothing to do with elves and ghosts, and you're poisoning the well by making that erroneous comparison.
I'm not saying you should accept such things, just consider the possibility that there is a way to do something that has not been considered before. The entire point is to try to think differently. Think outside of the box. Break out of the dichotomy that you have rigidly set. This is what is commonly called "creativity".
Controlled economy/Free economy is merely the X axis. How about a Y axis, or even a Z axis?
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hillbillyatheist
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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| ok, so give us an example of a Y axis or a Z axis in this case? |
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, give us a Y or Z axis. Please read my post with the various major economic systems described and placed on parallel X axes an then come back to us.
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Knight_of_BAAWA
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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| CET wrote: | Considering the possibility of a 3rd alternative has nothing to do with elves and ghosts, and you're poisoning the well by making that erroneous comparison.
I'm not saying you should accept such things, just consider the possibility that there is a way to do something that has not been considered before. The entire point is to try to think differently. Think outside of the box. Break out of the dichotomy that you have rigidly set. This is what is commonly called "creativity".
Controlled economy/Free economy is merely the X axis. How about a Y axis, or even a Z axis? |
There aren't any.
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| hillbillyatheist wrote: | | ok, so give us an example of a Y axis or a Z axis in this case? |
The only thing discussed is freedom of economics. Fine, that's an X axis.
How about social freedom? Personal freedom? Or any other freedom that isn't related to economics? Any one of those could act as a Y or Z axis. Economic freedom is not the ONLY defining attribute of a government, or social program, yet that seems to be the attribute considered.
My purpose here (AtheistForums.com) is not to say "What about idea abc?" My purpose is rhetoric; the instigation of creativity, and thought. My personal ideas aren't particularly important. It's your ideas that are, and rhetoric is designed to enhance them.
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| CET wrote: | | hillbillyatheist wrote: | | ok, so give us an example of a Y axis or a Z axis in this case? |
The only thing discussed is freedom of economics. Fine, that's an X axis.
How about social freedom? Personal freedom? |
on a political axis this would hold water, but health care is an economic issue.
you have doctors who provide a service in exchange for money. total free economy would say each doter has the right to sell his services for what he wishes, and the customers have the right to choose the doctor they wish. total control would have the state telling the doctor who to treat and the customer who to see. then you have the middle of the road, in which you can toggle freedom vs control. what Y axis could possibly fit here?
| Quote: | | My purpose here (AtheistForums.com) is not to say "What about idea abc?" My purpose is rhetoric; the instigation of creativity, and thought. My personal ideas aren't particularly important. It's your ideas that are, and rhetoric is designed to enhance them. |
nothing wrong with challenging our thinking, thats indeed what we're doing to you. (and unlike sjc, you are an enjoyable opponent, imo) |
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Knight_of_BAAWA
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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| hillbillyatheist wrote: | | ok, so give us an example of a Y axis or a Z axis in this case? |
| CET wrote: | The only thing discussed is freedom of economics. Fine, that's an X axis.
How about social freedom? Personal freedom? |
There's no separation of them.
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Jason_Harvestdancer
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| CET wrote: | | hillbillyatheist wrote: | | ok, so give us an example of a Y axis or a Z axis in this case? |
The only thing discussed is freedom of economics. Fine, that's an X axis.
How about social freedom? Personal freedom? Or any other freedom that isn't related to economics? Any one of those could act as a Y or Z axis. Economic freedom is not the ONLY defining attribute of a government, or social program, yet that seems to be the attribute considered.
My purpose here (AtheistForums.com) is not to say "What about idea abc?" My purpose is rhetoric; the instigation of creativity, and thought. My personal ideas aren't particularly important. It's your ideas that are, and rhetoric is designed to enhance them. |
Um....
You accused us of not including sufficient economic axes. When we ask you to provide an additional economic axis, you respond by giving us a social and or personal axis.
Did I miss something?
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