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Has anyone witnessed a Christian/theist turned atheist here?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 4:45 pm    Post subject: Has anyone witnessed a Christian/theist turned atheist here? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I obviously don't post much, but I still read through various pages here quite often, especially over the last few days. There have been some supremely well put together arguments that point out the lack of evidence needed to be a person of faith (I love the command of fallacy types, in particular!). I find it difficult to believe that an open minded, intelligent theist would be able to sustain ignoring such arguments forever.

Have any of you all (you all being moderators, long time posters, or general regulars) ever encountered someone on these boards or any other having an epiphany of sorts and subsequently ceasing to believe?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 4:48 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

If we told you, we'd have to kill you.

Mr. C and Savage are the only two I can think of since I've been posting here.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 4:48 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

His name is... Mr C.

*cue Western whistle*
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 4:51 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Also: Civil_Christian.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:21 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Thanks for the responses. The principle reason I asked is that so I could read through the process in an effort to make out any particular trends or guideposts in those that are coming to acceptance with their secularism. I know that each process isn't uniform, of course, but nonetheless I feel the need to begin somewhere.

I've recently began discussing religion with my mom, who's quite the hardcore Christian (church multiple times a week, constant bible reading, incessant watching of televangelist programming). Though I'm still learning because I don't participate in religious debates often (and also because I actually don't know too much specific information about the bible), I've been attempting to explain my atheism to her as accurately as possible, in hopes that she'll at least open up her mind.

Frankly, she's far too intelligent of a person to be swept up in all of that fantasy, and I believe that in the long run, she'll be much happier of a person if/when she ceases bible thumping. Her reasoning behind why she practices is questionable and vague (the whole 'I have a personal relationship with Christ' and other such metaphysics), and frankly, I'm trying to pull her out of it, but I want to do so the right way, i.e., sound reasoning so that she can come to her own conclusions in her own way. After she starts warming up to such reasoning, I think I'm going to offer her some of my atheism/secularism books.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:33 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Philosophos wrote:
His name is... Mr C.

*cue Western whistle*

You rang?
jonsande, check out this thread
And let's not forget this one

Edit: If your mom will have open, non-heated discussions with you, then go for it! However, sometimes it's best not to force one's own views on someone else. Your mom may get tired of the proselytising Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mistress Kimmie is another apostate. (whom is sorely missed)
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:27 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Edit: If your mom will have open, non-heated discussions with you, then go for it! However, sometimes it's best not to force one's own views on someone else. Your mom may get tired of the proselytising Laughing


The discussions are non-heated, and are the direct result of the obvious discomfort that we have for one another's lifestyles; mine being of course non religious and hers on the opposite end of the spectrum. It's interesting that you mentioned proselytizing...ironically part of the discomfort I mentioned was formed through her repeated attempts to get me to go to church and "begin to accept Christ as my Lord and Savior" Rolling Eyes .

She's since been buying me all sorts of nonsense books such as "What Darwin Didn't Know" (see the thread I began on that) in an attempt to get me to throw out all that is scientific and reasonable. Thus the discussion began: I told her that the only way we could go about doing this is to have an exchange of views; I would only read her books if she would read mine. So technically, I'm defending myself from proselytizing, while at the same time trying to open up her eyes since I know that there isn't a snowball's chance in non-existent hell that I could ever become a theist, while there's a chance that she could become at least an agnostic after some extended period of research and discussion.

I think I made some definite progress a couple of weeks ago when we got into a debate about the necessity (or lack thereof) of religion when it comes to morality. To argue that religion is mandatory for a true sense of good versus bad is such a lame and oft-repeated argument that even my inexperienced self was able to point out the absurdity of that idea to her, and I could tell that she was lost for a response and had to make a mental concession.

Thanks for the links, btw.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:56 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Savage claims to have been turned.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:53 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I wasn't exactly turned to the dark side by the forums, but nearly so.

About 4 years ago I was a very luke-warm christian/agnostic who began to actually read the bible because I was tired of my mother (and many others) beating me over the head with it and I wanted to evaluate it for myself. But I noticed that no one really wanted me to “critically examine” the bible, but rather to just read it and believe every word. I knew this was bullshit and that I needed to apply the critical scalpel to these supposedly inspired works. Well, I was extremely unimpressed and decided it was crap. So I started to open up to other possibilities.

But I easily could have moved from one irrational belief to another (and nearly did a few times), but as I was still interested in the Bible, I found some infidelguy shows that dealt with the subject. Since I enjoyed them I started listening to other shows on topics like free thought, skepticism, philosophy, etc. I enjoyed those shows a lot and found my way to the forums.

Thanks in large part to the infidelguy messageboards I came to embrace freethought and the search for truth wherever it leads. Its been great! I so much prefer to the truth, whatever it turns out to be, to any sort of lie or fantasy.

And oddly enough, just like many, many others, losing whatever faith I had left me way more interested in studying religion and the bible than I ever might have expected.


Freethought is really a simple idea, but its so damn useful. My internet hasn’t been working so I rarely post here lately, but I really like to post here to discuss and debate all sorts of political/philosophical/social issues. It’s a great way to weed out my own bad or stupid arguments and to further refine my conclusions because if I argue for something unsupported by the facts or draw wild conclusions from the facts, there’s a dozen people just waiting to kindly catch me in the act and bring the smack down.

I need to get my internet back up… I miss this place.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:13 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Guess what the C used to stand for in Mr. C...
Oh yes, and guess what it stands for now.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:18 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

kmisho wrote:
Guess what the C used to stand for in Mr. C...
Oh yes, and guess what it stands for now.

LOL! I'll leave this alley-oop to someone else...
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:19 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

kmisho wrote:
Guess what the C used to stand for in Mr. C...
Oh yes, and guess what it stands for now.


christian?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:22 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

tonyman1989 wrote:
kmisho wrote:
Guess what the C used to stand for in Mr. C...
Oh yes, and guess what it stands for now.


christian?

Mr. C's screen name used to be "Mr_Christian," yes.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:24 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Nimitz wrote:
Mistress Kimmie is another apostate. (whom is sorely missed)

Kimmie didn't come to these boards as a Christian, though, did she?
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