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Specus_Meretricis
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| CHFleming wrote: | | Specus_Meretricis wrote: | | CHFleming wrote: | | Philosophos wrote: | | CHFleming wrote: | | If I grew up in the South and all the racists I knew had a confederate battle flag displayed somewhere on their truck... |
This is known as the fallacy of false conversion. All racists (you knew, but I won't address that) had a Navy Jack on their truck, therefore all people with Navy Jacks on their trucks are racists." Just because all men are mortal, does that mean all mortals are men?
[shameless plug]My latest post in the AF Study Group discussed this fallacy[/shameless plug] |
And why did you chop off the remainder of my post?
As I said, all X that I knew where Y, and I was never able to find an example of a Y that wasn't X. I.e. no black people waiving confederate flags.
Only without the last part, would I be guilty of what you say. |
I also don't see many black people at hockey games, so that makes hockey racist? Lack of blacks makes something racist? Or just a cultural indifference to it? |
A hockey game is comparable to the Klan rally that was held 10 minutes down the road from where I used to live?
Philosophos took my first statements and ignored the second. You are taking the second statements and ignoring the first. |
It's comparable when you are trying to pass off something as a truth that isn't. And who gives a shit how far it was from your house? Do you want a cookie? Stop with your little babyish personal experiences to base larger truths under. That is like saying "Well I never met ANYONE with cancer, so there is no cancer." So you live in a fucked up, racist small town. While it does explain why you are a skin head, it doesn't make KOB a racist. |
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Specus_Meretricis
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Philosophos wrote: | | CHFleming wrote: | | Philosophos wrote: | | CHFleming wrote: | | If I grew up in the South and all the racists I knew had a confederate battle flag displayed somewhere on their truck... |
This is known as the fallacy of false conversion. All racists (you knew, but I won't address that) had a Navy Jack on their truck, therefore all people with Navy Jacks on their trucks are racists." Just because all men are mortal, does that mean all mortals are men?
[shameless plug]My latest post in the AF Study Group discussed this fallacy[/shameless plug] |
And why did you chop off the remainder of my post?
As I said, all X that I knew where Y, and I was never able to find an example of a Y that wasn't X. I.e. no black people waiving confederate flags.
Only without the last part, would I be guilty of what you say. |
Okay. So what are you trying to conclude? That no black people display the confederate flag? Or that people who display it are racist? What? As it stands now, it looks like this to me:
All racists (you know) display the confederate flag
All People who display the confederate flag are white
Therefore, all people who display the confederate flag are racist
If this is your inference, it moves your argument from being illogical to alogical, as a middle term appears in your conclusion. Now, if all your saying is you've never seen a black person displaying a confederate flag, then here's some counterexamples:
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Oh shit! I forgot about that guy! He was on Penn and Teller Bullshit! |
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Knight_of_BAAWA
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Knight_of_BAAWA wrote: | | Oh, I know how he views it, and I know that view stems from bigotry, ignorance, and stupidity. |
| CHFleming wrote: | | The bigotry, ignorance, and stupidity of the people |
| Knight_of_BAAWA wrote: | Who think the War for Southern Independence was actually the Grand War To End Slavery, and That All Who Fly The Flag Hates Them Niggers An' Wants Ta String Them Up.
You've exposed your own bigotry and hatred, bubba, with your links. |
| CHFleming wrote: | | I never said anything about the Civil War. |
Hey dumbfuck--when the fuck do you think that flag flew? Do you think it was during the Hundred Years' War? Spanish Civil War? War of the Roses? NO! It was the War for Southern Independence. Ergo, you ARE fucking saying something about that war. When you attempt to make it solely and only about the KKK and keeping blacks down, as you did with your "links", you sure as fuck are saying that the war was over slavery.
So don't fucking lie to me, bitch. Do not fucking do that.
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Knight_of_BAAWA
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Specus_Meretricis wrote: | | That is like me saying "You have a shaved head in your avatar, this means you are a racist and a skin head". |
| CHFleming wrote: | | And that would make you guilty of sampling bias. |
| Specus_Meretricis wrote: | | Which is exactly what you did assuming he was racist by having a Confederate flag displayed. |
| CHFleming wrote: | | Really? So, if it were a svastika, then it would also be biased of me to assume anything? |
Depends on which way it points, but yes.
| CHFleming wrote: | | If I grew up in the South and all the racists I knew had a confederate battle flag displayed |
Thank you for your admission of sampling bias.
| CHFleming wrote: | | somewhere on their truck, and all the trucks I observed displaying a the confederate battle flag contained a white driver. Point me towards my sampling bias. Point me towards the anti-segregation protectors waiving the confederate battle flag. Point me towards black supremacists waiving the confederate battle flag. |
Thank you for your admission that you did say something about the War for Southern Independence.
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CET
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Moloth wrote: | | CET wrote: | | More guns is not the answer. Fewer guns is not the answer. Teaching our nation not to be scared of everything is a little closer to the answer. |
i really rather like that, CET. |
*bows*
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CHFleming
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:21 am Post subject: |
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| I was wrong. |
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Moloth
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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and now, if you really think that you were, we can drop it and move on to something else...
...or you can drag it out in a Drama Queen fashion...
and, judging by your new Nazi Flag (not just a swastika) avatar, i'm beginning to wonder which it is.
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Knight_of_BAAWA
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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| CHFleming wrote: | | I was wrong. |
You are. Glad to see you admit it.
Oh--since we know you've changed your avatar just to be a drama fucktard, we know that it's just you being a drama fucktard.
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Specus_Meretricis
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Knight_of_BAAWA wrote: | | CHFleming wrote: | | I was wrong. |
You are. Glad to see you admit it.
Oh--since we know you've changed your avatar just to be a drama fucktard, we know that it's just you being a drama fucktard. |
ZOMG! He did! HAHAHAHAHA! What a used tampon he is. |
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cheapsuprise
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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| CHFleming wrote: |
You added an extra 'm' as well. Sorry, but I don't expect better from a person with a confederate flag as their avatar.
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LOL... How did I know it must have started like this?
The irony is- Knight's avatar dates from a flame war that occurred a couple years ago. Some one was giving HBA hassle over the confederate flag. A good number of members switched there avatars in support of HBA.
I had a few variations of mine, with varying levels of "offensiveness"
If I remember correctly, Kimmie actualy had the stars and bars formed into a swastika for hers. I suppose Knight simply never switched his back.
Sorry CHFleming, but this is old territory.
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Moloth
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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Heya, Cheap... remember this?
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hillbillyatheist
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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the flame will rise again!  |
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Specus_Meretricis
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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| hillbillyatheist wrote: | | the flame will rise again! |
Long Live The South!!! And ummm...everyone else... |
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cheapsuprise
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Moloth wrote: | | Heya, Cheap... remember this? |
LOL! You saved it!
And my Hitler++ avatar to.
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be both, but, because it is difficult to unite them in one person, it
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dispensed with."-- Niccolò Machiavelli |
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Moloth
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| cheapsuprise wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | | Heya, Cheap... remember this? |
LOL! You saved it!
And my Hitler++ avatar to. |
yup.. i HAD to save it. its a great thing to show people who are too fucking hung up on symbols. 
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