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| joshuas3521 wrote: | | Missionary wrote: | | HAHAHA!! I love it when science speaks. They're so...certain! HAHAHA! |
You, my friend, are a fucking idiot.
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So tell me. What should I BELIEVE about the polar ice caps on mars? Which ever one sounds best? to me? |
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joshuas3521
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| Missionary wrote: | | joshuas3521 wrote: | | Missionary wrote: | | HAHAHA!! I love it when science speaks. They're so...certain! HAHAHA! |
You, my friend, are a fucking idiot.
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So tell me. What should I BELIEVE about the polar ice caps on mars? Which ever one sounds best? to me? |
You are completely missing the point. The reason that we criticize you is that you are so certain. No scientist says that anything is with absolute certainty while religion claims to know the answers with absolute certainty. The reason logical thinkers hold the views that they do is because they hold under harsh scrutiny, the religious avoid scrutinizing their views and are hostile to those who do.
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 12:08 am Post subject: |
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| joshuas3521 wrote: | | Missionary wrote: | | joshuas3521 wrote: | | Missionary wrote: | | HAHAHA!! I love it when science speaks. They're so...certain! HAHAHA! |
You, my friend, are a fucking idiot.
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So tell me. What should I BELIEVE about the polar ice caps on mars? Which ever one sounds best? to me? |
You are completely missing the point. The reason that we criticize you is that you are so certain. No scientist says that anything is with absolute certainty while religion claims to know the answers with absolute certainty. The reason logical thinkers hold the views that they do is because they hold under harsh scrutiny, the religious avoid scrutinizing their views and are hostile to those who do. |
Yeah I know...harsh scrutiny is so anal retentive. You should look at some hubble photos and enjoy some wonder and awe time.
Check this out...www.foxnews.com/story
| Quote: | "Miller, the lead witness for the plaintiffs in the Dover trial of 2005 (in which Judge John E. Jones III barred intelligent design from being taught in a Pennsylvania public school district's science classes), takes the classic Darwinian "grandeur in this view of life" approach. God is behind it all. He rejects claims that the God hypothesis makes no sense, stating that "... to reject God because of the admitted self-contradictions and logical failings of organized religion would be like rejecting physics because of the inherent contradictions of quantum theory and general relativity."
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"Extraordinary, but legitimate, interventions in the physical world permit quantum tunneling through cosmic wormholes or certain symmetries to snap spontaneously. It would be perfectly fair for a science-savvy God to use nonlinear dynamics so that tiny fluctuations quickly build up to earthshaking results — the famous 'butterfly effect' of deterministic chaos theory." |
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joshuas3521
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This guy is hopeless 
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 1:12 am Post subject: |
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| joshuas3521 wrote: | This guy is hopeless
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Do scientists who leave room for God ruin your faith in science?
Francis S. Collins, M.D., Ph.D., is the director of the Human Genome Project.
http://www.cnn.com
| Quote: | "As a graduate student in physical chemistry in the 1970s, I was an atheist, finding no reason to postulate the existence of any truths outside of mathematics, physics and chemistry. But then I went to medical school, and encountered life and death issues at the bedsides of my patients. Challenged by one of those patients, who asked "What do you believe, doctor?", I began searching for answers."
"As the director of the Human Genome Project, I have led a consortium of scientists to read out the 3.1 billion letters of the human genome, our own DNA instruction book. As a believer, I see DNA, the information molecule of all living things, as God's language, and the elegance and complexity of our own bodies and the rest of nature as a reflection of God's plan." |
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 1:53 am Post subject: |
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| joshuas3521 wrote: |
You are completely missing the point. The reason that we criticize you is that you are so certain. No scientist says that anything is with absolute certainty while religion claims to know the answers with absolute certainty. The reason logical thinkers hold the views that they do is because they hold under harsh scrutiny, the religious avoid scrutinizing their views and are hostile to those who do. |
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Certainty is usually the sign of someone unaware of the limitations of their own knowledge.
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| Missionary wrote: | | joshuas3521 wrote: | This guy is hopeless
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Do scientists who leave room for God ruin your faith in science?
Francis S. Collins, M.D., Ph.D., is the director of the Human Genome Project.
http://www.cnn.com
| Quote: | "As a graduate student in physical chemistry in the 1970s, I was an atheist, finding no reason to postulate the existence of any truths outside of mathematics, physics and chemistry. But then I went to medical school, and encountered life and death issues at the bedsides of my patients. Challenged by one of those patients, who asked "What do you believe, doctor?", I began searching for answers."
"As the director of the Human Genome Project, I have led a consortium of scientists to read out the 3.1 billion letters of the human genome, our own DNA instruction book. As a believer, I see DNA, the information molecule of all living things, as God's language, and the elegance and complexity of our own bodies and the rest of nature as a reflection of God's plan." |
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It is called compartmentalization.
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| Francis Collins- worth mentioning for his competence in genetics, but somehow too stupid to realize evolution is wrong. Man, why is it that the people in relevant fields of study always seem to get it wrong? |
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| Missionary wrote: | | joshuas3521 wrote: | | Missionary wrote: | | HAHAHA!! I love it when science speaks. They're so...certain! HAHAHA! |
You, my friend, are a fucking idiot.
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So tell me. What should I BELIEVE about the polar ice caps on mars? Which ever one sounds best? to me? |
Has it ever occured to you that there are things that we know more about than we know about other things?
Gerard
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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| WashMDJD wrote: | | joshuas3521 wrote: |
You are completely missing the point. The reason that we criticize you is that you are so certain. No scientist says that anything is with absolute certainty while religion claims to know the answers with absolute certainty. The reason logical thinkers hold the views that they do is because they hold under harsh scrutiny, the religious avoid scrutinizing their views and are hostile to those who do. |
QFT
Certainty is usually the sign of someone unaware of the limitations of their own knowledge. |
If you are uncertain of anything you are being led by uncertainty and astray by ignorance. In that scenario, whatever the winds favor is as good as any. |
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| pr126 wrote: | | Missionary wrote: | | joshuas3521 wrote: | This guy is hopeless
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Do scientists who leave room for God ruin your faith in science?
Francis S. Collins, M.D., Ph.D., is the director of the Human Genome Project.
http://www.cnn.com
| Quote: | "As a graduate student in physical chemistry in the 1970s, I was an atheist, finding no reason to postulate the existence of any truths outside of mathematics, physics and chemistry. But then I went to medical school, and encountered life and death issues at the bedsides of my patients. Challenged by one of those patients, who asked "What do you believe, doctor?", I began searching for answers."
"As the director of the Human Genome Project, I have led a consortium of scientists to read out the 3.1 billion letters of the human genome, our own DNA instruction book. As a believer, I see DNA, the information molecule of all living things, as God's language, and the elegance and complexity of our own bodies and the rest of nature as a reflection of God's plan." |
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It is called compartmentalization. |
You may be on to something. If God fits in a box, it's easy to close and there's nothing to see. I mean, why consult a box? |
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joshuas3521
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| Missionary wrote: | | WashMDJD wrote: | | joshuas3521 wrote: |
You are completely missing the point. The reason that we criticize you is that you are so certain. No scientist says that anything is with absolute certainty while religion claims to know the answers with absolute certainty. The reason logical thinkers hold the views that they do is because they hold under harsh scrutiny, the religious avoid scrutinizing their views and are hostile to those who do. |
QFT
Certainty is usually the sign of someone unaware of the limitations of their own knowledge. |
If you are uncertain of anything you are being led by uncertainty and astray by ignorance. In that scenario, whatever the winds favor is as good as any. |
Gawd, everything that you say is worthy of a facepalm...
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"In the beginning the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move." --Douglas Adams
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| Bardolph86 wrote: | | Francis Collins- worth mentioning for his competence in genetics, but somehow too stupid to realize evolution is wrong. Man, why is it that the people in relevant fields of study always seem to get it wrong? |
He was an atheist. He came to the realization that science didn't have all the answers after all. How is open mindedness stupid? |
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Gerard wrote: | | Missionary wrote: | | joshuas3521 wrote: | | Missionary wrote: | | HAHAHA!! I love it when science speaks. They're so...certain! HAHAHA! |
You, my friend, are a fucking idiot.
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So tell me. What should I BELIEVE about the polar ice caps on mars? Which ever one sounds best? to me? |
Has it ever occured to you that there are things that we know more about than we know about other things?
Gerard |
That's for certain. But compared to the sum total of what's knowable? It's like one atom of knowledge to an earth size of available knowledge. Why anyone would think we have the capacity for omniscience would be visions of grandeur. But even worse is to admit that we can't possibly know all, yet maintain we know with certainty that there is no one behind the order and design. Again, a vision of grandeur. To look at all we see through the telescope and microscope and declare, we're alone. |
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Look, bottom line is, if there was a God "behind everything," it would have manifested itself in some way that would be unmistakable to everyone on the planet. We wouldn't have all these different religions and denominations with vastly different ideas of who and what God is, because it would be patently obvious who and what God is, to the point that it wouldn't need to be explained. How different history would be if God really existed and everyone knew it and it was simply another fact of life, like water and air. There would be no religions, no holy wars, and no endless arguments over what this God thing is all about.
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