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Hunt? Lol.
Look people. Moral or not, our bodies evolved with omnivorous dietary needs. Now this doesn't mean we can't cheat the system, but how are you going to get the nutrients only meat can provide? Granted, the meat we currently use doesn't have enough protein as say Fish or insects (namely cows), but we breed them specifically for food in specialized areas that have slaughter cows.
I do not feel that the treatment these creatures are given is moral and I find it extremely disgusting, but I would rather someone else do the job than myself.
Vegan products would still have to be mass transported using vehicles. The same used to carry meat products. If we stopped the production of meat, the only main difference it would make would be putting the vehicles and factories that deal with these things out of commission. However, that would be a minor part compared to people who go out and drive every day when they could easily take the train, bus, or a ride with someone else.
In survivalistic circumstances. You're better off eating both plants that you know are edible, and meat that contain the protein your brain needs to survive. Simply being a vegan would kill you in the wild over time due to lack of protein and other nutrients. Get over yourselves.
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| Vyrian wrote: | Hunt? Lol.
Look people. Moral or not, our bodies evolved with omnivorous dietary needs. Now this doesn't mean we can't cheat the system, but how are you going to get the nutrients only meat can provide? Granted, the meat we currently use doesn't have enough protein as say Fish or insects (namely cows), but we breed them specifically for food in specialized areas that have slaughter cows.
I do not feel that the treatment these creatures are given is moral and I find it extremely disgusting, but I would rather someone else do the job than myself.
Vegan products would still have to be mass transported using vehicles. The same used to carry meat products. If we stopped the production of meat, the only main difference it would make would be putting the vehicles and factories that deal with these things out of commission. However, that would be a minor part compared to people who go out and drive every day when they could easily take the train, bus, or a ride with someone else.
In survivalistic circumstances. You're better off eating both plants that you know are edible, and meat that contain the protein your brain needs to survive. Simply being a vegan would kill you in the wild over time due to lack of protein and other nutrients. Get over yourselves. |
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Vyrian
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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*Doubletake* Skidoosh.
Wait what? Could I what?
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I think he means "NO U!"
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| NickS wrote: | | Aridiris wrote: | Forage
| NickS wrote: | | Knight_of_BAAWA wrote: | | Knight_of_BAAWA wrote: | | And what is "not necessary"? |
| NickS wrote: | | The animals death or mine. |
Well that's a fine non-answer. |
How is that a "non answer"? How could I be more concise? |
Looks like you answered the opposite question. |
My death or the animals death? |
Now that I think about it, it's only barely the opposite answer, if you interpret it they way I am. But since you are being incredibly unclear, I can't say for certain. So really, I'll have to agree that yes indeed it is a non-answer. |
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NickS
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Aridiris wrote: | | NickS wrote: | | Aridiris wrote: | Forage
| NickS wrote: | | Knight_of_BAAWA wrote: | | Knight_of_BAAWA wrote: | | And what is "not necessary"? |
| NickS wrote: | | The animals death or mine. |
Well that's a fine non-answer. |
How is that a "non answer"? How could I be more concise? |
Looks like you answered the opposite question. |
My death or the animals death? |
Now that I think about it, it's only barely the opposite answer, if you interpret it they way I am. But since you are being incredibly unclear, I can't say for certain. So really, I'll have to agree that yes indeed it is a non-answer. |
Death or life is a non answer and unclear. |
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| Vyrian wrote: |
*Doubletake* Skidoosh.
Wait what? Could I what? |
Go out and hunt and kill. |
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Vyrian
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| NickS wrote: | | Vyrian wrote: |
*Doubletake* Skidoosh.
Wait what? Could I what? |
Go out and hunt and kill. |
For survival. Yes. But you little mr. or miss. or mrs for that unknown matter, did not directly comment on my messages, which clearly defeat the veganistic-political brainwashing of total garbage. Being a vegan is fine, but to claim it is healtheir or better or the only way to live as a moral and good human, well now, that's teetering on religious.
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| NickS wrote: | | Death or life is a non answer and unclear. |
You: If not necessary, harming an animal is immoral.
Q: What is not necessary?
A: My death or the animal's death.
Meaning: If your death or the animal's death is involved, harming an animal is immoral. Or in order words - unnecessary harm is immoral and if a life is at risk, it is not necessary to harm an animal. Which I doubt you meant.
In the context of this thread, what should be defined as "not necessary" is "eating meat" or in general "clothing", "sport" and so on.
But as I've said, you are incredibly unclear so I can't say for sure if that's what you meant. You seem to be supplanting real meaning with attempts at brevity. This is common with people trying to sound confident and profound. A decent debate tactic, but it doesn't work when you aren't making any sense. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Vyrian wrote: | | NickS wrote: | | Vyrian wrote: |
*Doubletake* Skidoosh.
Wait what? Could I what? |
Go out and hunt and kill. |
For survival. Yes. But you little mr. or miss. or mrs for that unknown matter, did not directly comment on my messages, which clearly defeat the veganistic-political brainwashing of total garbage. Being a vegan is fine, but to claim it is healtheir or better or the only way to live as a moral and good human, well now, that's teetering on religious. |
Religious? Spend a few hours in a slaughter factory. Then preach religion.
99c burgers anyone? |
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"true Atheists"?! What the hell is a true Atheist?
CR:The same as "a true Scotsman" I guess. ;o) |
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| chookrooter wrote: | "true Atheists"?! What the hell is a true Atheist?
CR:The same as "a true Scotsman" I guess. ;o) |
Flip the switch. Are you there?
Do the micro volts survive?
Can you fight against thousands of generations?
Do you understand what we are?
Do you believe in evolution? |
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I'm a vagitarian - I only eat pussy.
Yes, I thought of that last night and wanted to say it. Sue me. |
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Vyrian
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| NickS wrote: |
Religious? Spend a few hours in a slaughter factory. Then preach religion.
99c burgers anyone? |
I'm not saying that Slaughter Houses are magical places of rainbows big cuddles of yoda plushes with applesauce on the side.
But the extremist view of a vegan is as radical as that of a religious nut. You guys have it all wrong. The moment you try to brain wash someone, and convince yourselves that it is evil to be an omnivore, then you're wrong about everything. being a herbivore is nothing wrong, the thing that annoys me with vegans is they always preach about how Veganism is allegedly healthier than being an omnivore, which it isn't, and being a vegan is so much better for the environment, when maybe in retrospect to slaughterhouses yes, but not by a large margin and lastly the "more natural" argument, which it isn't. It's like PETA.
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| NickS wrote: | | chookrooter wrote: | "true Atheists"?! What the hell is a true Atheist?
CR:The same as "a true Scotsman" I guess. ;o) |
Flip the switch. Are you there?
Do the micro volts survive?
Can you fight against thousands of generations?
Do you understand what we are?
Do you believe in evolution? |
Did you forget your meds today? Is your mind as mirky as your writing style?
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