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| SpecterOpacus wrote: | | All the shit I've read says the same thing Knight is saying, and that Global Warming may be nothing more than an underanalyzed bunch of data. |
Sounds like you're doing some pretty selective reading.
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Gettin' In Tune wrote: | | SpecterOpacus wrote: | | All the shit I've read says the same thing Knight is saying, and that Global Warming may be nothing more than an underanalyzed bunch of data. |
Actually, the data supports AGW. I am not alarmed by it nor do I think that there is anything that we can do to "save the planet". |
Does the data support GW or AGW? There is a difference between the two.
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| Gettin' In Tune wrote: | | gnosis wrote: | | Puh-leeze. This guy isn't a liberal, he's just a moron. Liberals know how to spell "warming". |
He may be a dirty hippy and a fucktard to boot, but he his a liberal. |
Just like this guy's a "conservative"?
Labeling anyone who believes the evidence for AGW a "liberal" does nothing to advance the debate. You know as well as I do plenty of "conservatives" believe the evidence for AGW.
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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Read the latest Skeptic. It actually has discussion of both sides of this issue.
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| gnosis wrote: | | Labeling anyone who believes the evidence for AGW a "liberal" does nothing to advance the debate. You know as well as I do plenty of "conservatives" believe the evidence for AGW. |
How did you come up with this deduction, because I never made that claim? I was labeling hippies as liberals. |
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| Jason_Harvestdancer wrote: | | Does the data support GW or AGW? There is a difference between the two. |
I know there is a difference. I have read both sides and I believe that there is evidence of AGW. It may not be a 100% conclusive and I remain skeptical, but there are signs of AGW. |
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Gettin' In Tune wrote: |
How did you come up with this deduction, because I never made that claim? I was labeling hippies as liberals. |
Well, you're probably right there. Do you count communists as "liberals"?
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| SpecterOpacus wrote: | | All the shit I've read says the same thing Knight is saying, and that Global Warming may be nothing more than an underanalyzed bunch of data. |
| gnosis wrote: | | Sounds like you're doing some pretty selective reading. |
Pot. Kettle. Black.
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Pot. Kettle. Black. |
I've read both sides of the argument, ignoramus. I'm married to an environmental scientist. Care to share your background on the subject?
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| Knight_of_BAAWA wrote: |
Pot. Kettle. Black. |
| gnosis wrote: | | I've read both sides of the argument, ignoramus. |
I doubt it, ignoramus.
| gnosis wrote: | | I'm married to an environmental scientist. |
Want a cookie or a medal?
| gnosis wrote: | | Care to share your background on the subject? |
No. Unlike you, I have no need to engage in a measuring contest to attempt to make up for your obvious shortfall.
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| gnosis wrote: | | Well, you're probably right there. Do you count communists as "liberals"? |
I hope you know that I was jesting with my "liberal" comment about One With Nature, but I guess it was not apparent. Hippies are liberals and bible thumping, burn in hellfire people are generally conservatives.
Anyways, to answer your question. I respect classical liberalism. Classical liberalism is a far cry from communism. I do consider welfare liberalism a form of soft socialism. Liberalism has historical roots based on individual liberty and free market ideology. Modern day liberalism hides itself behind a Robinisque curtain; stealing from the rich and giving it to the poor. I do not think communists are liberals (I am curious why you asked). Communism and socialism may stress a form of collective liberation, but in practice are generally a form of collective violence against the individual.
If you want to continue this discussion, I suggest that you revive this thread. |
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| Gettin' In Tune wrote: |
I hope you know that I was jesting with my "liberal" comment about One With Nature, but I guess it was not apparent. Hippies are liberals and bible thumping, burn in hellfire people are generally conservatives.
Anyways, to answer your question. I respect classical liberalism. Classical liberalism is a far cry from communism. I do consider welfare liberalism a form of soft socialism. Liberalism has historical roots based on individual liberty and free market ideology. Modern day liberalism hides itself behind a Robinisque curtain; stealing from the rich and giving it to the poor. I do not think communists are liberals (I am curious why you asked). Communism and socialism may stress a form of collective liberation, but in practice are generally a form of collective violence against the individual.
If you want to continue this discussion, I suggest that you revive this thread. |
Good god not that thread again... that would be like dumping a gallon of gas on KnoB's flame-bait. I was mentioning communism because that's what I generally think hippies lean more towards, at least currently practicing hippies and not baby boomer ex-hippies. 
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The Polar Bear is officially threatened now. And my new electric bill uses more paper per page than they used to. 
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| Amberli wrote: | | The Polar Bear is officially threatened now. And my new electric bill uses more paper per page than they used to. |
Yeah my wife told me about the Polar Bear situation... pretty sad.  The Polar Bear is quite a majestic and world-famous animal.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/05/14/polar.bears.listing/index.html
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| gnosis wrote: | | Good god not that thread again... that would be like dumping a gallon of gas on KnoB's flame-bait. |
I was suggesting another thread, since this conversation is becoming completely irrelevant to the original topic.
| Quote: | | I was mentioning communism because that's what I generally think hippies lean more towards, at least currently practicing hippies and not baby boomer ex-hippies. |
I don't agree with you. Despite the fact that most hippies lack a sound political philosophy, like they lack a bar of soap and a shower, they believe in individual freedom and personal expression. It is reflected in their music. Liberalism and rock n roll are not mutually exclusive.
Hippies don't buy into the current capitalistic system, like they don't buy into government. Some are communal, but many are capitalistic. Many hippies travel on the road, individually selling books, drugs, or grilled cheese sandwiches to get to their next destination.
Hippies are generally environmentalists. They think that they are stewards of the planet. Often, they leave a place in worse shape then they found it. They think that the earth is ours to share. I see the planet as nothing but a resource to extract and create from. |
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