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Obermeister
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 Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:36 pm Post subject: Girl can paint heaven?? |
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Have you heard of this girl? http://www.artakiane.com/
Watch this clip from CNN:
http://tinyurl.com/yxewot
I find it interesting that her mom says she was an atheist before this big reveleation her daughter starts spouting at 4!! I don't know man, it sounds pretty fishy to me. It'd be REAL interesting to get her on Infidel Radio, or her mom. I'd like to hear more about these god revelations. I seriously doubt she was spouting christian dogma unless she had been exposed to it. But hey, I'm open minded.
You'd think that if god wanted to prove he was real by giving this girl superpowers, he could've done something like let her shoot lasers out of her eyes or something. She's not exactly the only prodigy on the planet.
Anyway, I was wondering if any skeptics out there have heard of her. I'd really like to know how accurate the CNN story was, or how many details about the origins of her visions are overwrought or distorted. |
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Damn shame. She's talented enough that she'll have hangers on all her life...probably grow up to be One Stroke Sylvia Browne "God revealed his plan to me in a painting....and for $1,500 you can sit for your Godly Portrait"
I guess why wait for Mary to show up in a cheese sandwich or Jesus to sprout from a dog's bunghole when you can just paint them to life and get paid for it.
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Such talent, and still needs to believe she's been hokuseed pokussed by God in order to feel special. So sad.
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I think Teddl brought her up before. That girl could kick some serious darier if she could just tear herself away from all this illustrative fluff.
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| The reason I brought it up was because of the supposed conversion story tied to this. That is, her mother claimed she was converted by her (then) 4 year old daughter. At least, that's how CNN presents it. I'd just like to have a lot more detail on this.. Cause to me, I smell a rat somewhere there. |
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She was a 4 year old atheist, and mom was one too . . . rrriiiiiiiiight.
She's talented, I'll go with that.
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| CET wrote: | She was a 4 year old atheist, and mom was one too . . . rrriiiiiiiiight.
She's talented, I'll go with that. |
Even that word isn't safe because of the obligatory "God given" that always has to precede it.
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Typical story of parents who succumb to the emotional argument of "My kid is just too fucking special for there to be no god."
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I did research the last time this girl was discussed. Yup, like it or not, her family was not religious in any sense. It wasn't a conversion overnite by her family. They aren't fundamental but rather very liberal theists the last I had read.
Find an atheist artist who starts at a very young age to paint quite well without any teaching and then describes it all as rational and you guys might have a case. Otherwise this girl is seeing something that the average person isn't seeing and that's why there will always be spirituality if not religions.
The last I read she gave most of her money to the poor so don't make a culprit out of her just because she believes in god? Especially since the people are paying for her art and that is an honest method of commerce the last I checked  |
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| ShaSha wrote: |
Find an atheist artist who starts at a very young age to paint quite well without any teaching and then describes it all as rational and you guys might have a case. Otherwise this girl is seeing something that the average person isn't seeing and that's why there will always be spirituality if not religions. |
I don't think we have to "find an atheist" comparable to her to make any sort of case. Why would you say that? She's very gifted. Obviously a genius when it comes to art/poetry. But "genius" implies an exceptional brain, IOW, something is functioning extremely well within her compared to your average human. And even she could be deluded when it comes to the existence of God.
I don't understand your last sentence (above), but are you saying that just because this very special girl believes in God, that's reason enough to believe in God yourself? I'm missing something here. |
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| ShaSha wrote: | | Otherwise this girl is seeing something that the average person isn't seeing and that's why there will always be spirituality if not religions. |
The girl can paint. How exactly does that translate into her being able to see heaven or god?
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| A_Atheist_named_Christian wrote: | | Typical story of parents who succumb to the emotional argument of "My kid is just too fucking special for there to be no god." |
I doubt whether the mother was actually an atheist. There seem to be a lot of atheist conversion stories floating around, but they seem improbable at best.
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Painting? Big deal.
If she's really seeing things from Heaven, why can't she take a photo?
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ShaSha
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| Mr_C wrote: | | ShaSha wrote: |
Find an atheist artist who starts at a very young age to paint quite well without any teaching and then describes it all as rational and you guys might have a case. Otherwise this girl is seeing something that the average person isn't seeing and that's why there will always be spirituality if not religions. |
I don't think we have to "find an atheist" comparable to her to make any sort of case. Why would you say that? She's very gifted. Obviously a genius when it comes to art/poetry. But "genius" implies an exceptional brain, IOW, something is functioning extremely well within her compared to your average human. And even she could be deluded when it comes to the existence of God.
I don't understand your last sentence (above), but are you saying that just because this very special girl believes in God, that's reason enough to believe in God yourself? I'm missing something here. |
No, I wouldn't suggest that anybody should believe in god because she does. In fact nobody should believe in god unless they have a good reason of their own. I am suggesting that she does have a reason of her own and nobody here can relate to it because most here are atheist.
Let's say that her story is true for the purpose of discussion. Her family never discussed god and she wasn't exposed to god in pictures etc. And yes, this is very possible because that is how my children were raised. No manger at Christmas, no exposure to christian homes. So yes, you better know that I would at first start investigating if any of them started believing in Jesus at age 4. Mind you I wasn't even an atheist, I just wasn't a person to put my beliefs on others, especially children other than a vague concept of god.
The assumption here is that her parents had to be non atheists which just blows my mind. Nobody here or elsewhere has evidence of any of that and yet they have this girl figured out. I did do considerable research on her the last time that she was brought up and just did a couple more hours of it now. I looked at just about every link in the first 100 that google brought up.
First I must ask, did everybody here lie so much in your lives or now, that you believe her parents are lying? If you would tell it like it is, then why couldn't her mother also be telling it like it was? I'm not saying that there is a god, I am saying that she, the mother, became a believer after her daughter started telling her of her experiences and started drawing her experiences. I am saying that based on the fact that nobody has ever brought up any evidence contrary to that.
There are similar skeptical comments on other forums about the atheism and even whether it is her doing the work. All of this is just speculation. It could be true that she did believe and any number of things have been contrived and this is all one big sell. I know it is possible. I simply haven't found anything that can be called evidence. And evidence not opinion is what I thought all rational people were about?
The thing is there is absolutely nothing in 100 different links that show that one skeptic has ever found any evidence to suggest that anything is other than what they state it is. I find it hard to believe that the well known skeptics haven't shown any interest in her to the point of showing where it is a fraud if there is any here including finding people in the early years that can suggest that there was anything other than secular upbringing in her home.
What I do see on the pro links is the wanting to believe that she really is "blessed" by god and on the atheist links that it is all negative.
I like a lot of her art and some I don't particularly like whether it is of god or genius or whatever. Art is art and in the eye of the beholder. She has done some that are Christian like but she is more "New Agey" from what I can tell. As an undeveloped artist myself, she definitely has talent when I compare my abilities which are pretty good just not genius.
Her poetry is also quite interesting. Again there is one that I am not impressed with at all and another one is superb for its' insight. |
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| ChrissyFos wrote: | | ShaSha wrote: | | Otherwise this girl is seeing something that the average person isn't seeing and that's why there will always be spirituality if not religions. |
The girl can paint. How exactly does that translate into her being able to see heaven or god? |
As I mentioned if they are telling the truth, then she is experiencing something that the average person is not. As many here have mentioned over the years, Jesus is not something most 4 year olds bring up without having been taught or exposed to. Spirituality would be the more likely common ground in cases where there is no Christianity. Since she is focusing at least partially on Christians, it is either for spiritual reasons or reasons of fraud. I am unable to find any neutral reasons for it. |
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