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 Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 10:29 am Post subject: For Your Information about the End Times |
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Hey Guys I'm preaching this Sunday and you're observations always make me think through the passage better so I thought I might try to get a little discussion going.
here is my text (since its Palm Sunday I'm teaching about the real triumphal entry)
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Revelation 19:11 Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. 12 His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself. 13 He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. 14 And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. 15 From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords. |
Here is the set up. This is predicted to occur as 5 gentile national groups ally themselves against Israel. This begins the re-establishment of Solomons kingdom thus fulfilling the Davidic Covenant
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What is first reaction to this text?
Would you repent on the spot if these two events transpired and instantaneously become a fundie?
Is there anything confusing about the text?
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First Reaction: It's been 60 years since 5 gentile nations (Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, and Jordan) declared war on Israel, and 59 years since that war ended. I see no end times brother.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 10:59 am Post subject: Re: For Your Information about the End Times |
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What is first reaction to this text? |
John's Eschatology seems more like the result of massive amounts of shrooms than anything else to me now...I used to eat this stuff up though. Hey, I used to eat shrooms up too! Coincidence?
As a side note, I once heard this text as the reason why people can feel free to believe that their dead pets are waiting for them in heaven since there are magical horses coming out of the sky in Revelations 
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Would you repent on the spot if these two events transpired and instantaneously become a fundie? |
Hellzyeah!
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Is there anything confusing about the text? |
Obviously the way it's written has confused anybody that has read it, but I think this passage is fairly straight-forward. |
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You really want to know what I think?
| Quote: | | Revelation 19:11 Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. 12 His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself. 13 He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. 14 And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. 15 From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords. |
11) The faithful come on their pure horse (pure being), in the name of god to make war and kill in the name of god. Righteous due to their beliefs, war due to their beliefs, which are "pure". (see further)
12) That name is his choice that only he can know. Muslim, Christian, Protestant, Jew, etc. All being ready and able in faith (eyes of fire--believing in their own piety) many diadems on his head (a crown/royal power--self-given power in the name of their own chosen god of whichever religion)
13) His faith killed many, and his robes (his religion, "name written on no one knows but himself": see 12) bore the blood of the dead that died according to his belief of his true god. Whichever that may be.
14) The innocents came behind, having killed none but following based on the same belief.
15) (we're getting mildly silly here) His gods words will be able to control the nations and rule them with iron. (Hello, Hitler's Third Reich) very defensive play here, all will "crumble before g-d"--whichever g-d we speak of of course. This is according to the name of his robe, which bears the blood of all that died in that name. I am singing "Cult of Personality" by Living Colour (which is good since thats a great song) I imagine the more that died the better "for the cause". Ad populum argument.
16) On his thigh is written the name of his cause, his "robe"'s armor, his truth he wears. Muhammad may be King of Kings. It may be "Jesus". It may be "Zeus" and it may even be "The Flying Spaghetti Monster" or the "Great China Teapot".
My first reaction is that of sheer ability to blend into MANY different religious zealots claims to ultimatum.
Why would I repent for no more than a wishful hope that everything I believe in has enough followers to back me up? I wonder about Christianity's severe promise of kicking ass in the end, how much good it actually does society as a whole, and how many it could actually make "bow before it's might" as evidenced in the wishful thinking of the quote above. WHY is the clinging to the dream of getting the last word in the end such a huge, and promising, need for people to cling to?
This all just raises more questions for me in regards to why people follow a myth so strongly. WHY is the end game the most important factor in Christianity (and many many other sky-god based religions)??? |
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Pornogrpahy.
A naked blood-soaked jesus flying around on a horse with "king of kings" tatooed on his dick.
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couldnt god do better than a white horse?
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Now this religion happens to prevail/Until by that one it is overthrown/Because men dare not live with men alone/But always with another fairy tale.
al-Ma'arri, Syrian Poet, died 1057
You deny the existence of 999 alleged Gods. I merely deny one more - yours.
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I remind you sir that revelations also tells us the beast shall rise from the earth and with its tail fling one third of the stars to the earth.
Now, as you know, since the nearest stars is what.. 2 million light years away, (not counting the sun) and this thing is supposed to get 1/3 of all the stars of heaven. Yeah, thats going to happen.
Our early ancestors thought stars were twinkly little things just above the clouds. The sun was within reach of a mighty bow hunter and the moon could be captured with a hard tossed net. Fer cryin out loud does anyone ever read this silly stuff.
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| Hit_me_up024 wrote: | | couldnt god do better than a white horse? |
seriously he should be on a white Liger that pisses fire with teeth of gold like flavor flav. |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:35 am Post subject: Re: For Your Information about the End Times |
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| romans120 wrote: | Hey Guys I'm preaching this Sunday and you're observations always make me think through the passage better so I thought I might try to get a little discussion going.
here is my text (since its Palm Sunday I'm teaching about the real triumphal entry) |
Real triumphal entry? And you know it is real based on what? And what was the other triumphal entry that you are comparing it to which is less real?
Can you without a doubt preach on that passage and feel confident that it is truth and you would want all to believe what you say beyond a shadow of a doubt? |
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My first reaction to that story: sounds like a fairytale...what makes you believe this to be truth?
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| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:05 pm Post subject: Re: For Your Information about the End Times |
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| ShaSha wrote: | | romans120 wrote: | Hey Guys I'm preaching this Sunday and you're observations always make me think through the passage better so I thought I might try to get a little discussion going.
here is my text (since its Palm Sunday I'm teaching about the real triumphal entry) |
Real triumphal entry? And you know it is real based on what? And what was the other triumphal entry that you are comparing it to which is less real?
Can you without a doubt preach on that passage and feel confident that it is truth and you would want all to believe what you say beyond a shadow of a doubt? |
I'm comparing it to John 12 and yes I have absolutely no doubt this will take place.
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i guess i need top Wiki "triumphant entry" before i start giggling at it, huh?
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| aitm wrote: | I remind you sir that revelations also tells us the beast shall rise from the earth and with its tail fling one third of the stars to the earth.
Now, as you know, since the nearest stars is what.. 2 million light years away, (not counting the sun) and this thing is supposed to get 1/3 of all the stars of heaven. Yeah, thats going to happen.
Our early ancestors thought stars were twinkly little things just above the clouds. The sun was within reach of a mighty bow hunter and the moon could be captured with a hard tossed net. Fer cryin out loud does anyone ever read this silly stuff. |
| Quote: | | Revelation 6:12 When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood, 13 and the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale. 14 The sky vanished like a scroll that is being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place. 15 Then the kings of the earth and the great ones and the generals and the rich and the powerful, and everyone, slave and free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains, |
This would be a classic example of phenomenal language. It could have be a catastrophic meteor shower and the author used stars to communicate the concept of falling objects from the sky.
edit: excuse me you were refering to this passage
| Quote: | | Revelation 12:1 And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. 2 She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth. 3 And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven diadems. 4 His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it. 5 She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, (messianic reference - already happened) but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, |
Note the coralation that the women is also crowned with stars. But even beyond that this text is clearly symbolic of the incarnation and transfiguration of Christ as being introductory to the dispensation of the church.
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