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Erica Campbell Tragedy
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 7:11 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

monty wrote:

These people did not quit being addicts. Far from it - they just chose a new drug.

Drugs, alcohol, etc induce euphoria in the brain of susceptible people. Religion does the same thing. I have yet to ever meet a drunk who got clean via finding Jesus who wasn't addicted to Jesus for all the same reasons they were a drunk in the first place.


And what reasons would that be - inducing euphoria?
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:01 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

tinker683 wrote:
monty wrote:

These people did not quit being addicts. Far from it - they just chose a new drug.

Drugs, alcohol, etc induce euphoria in the brain of susceptible people. Religion does the same thing. I have yet to ever meet a drunk who got clean via finding Jesus who wasn't addicted to Jesus for all the same reasons they were a drunk in the first place.


And what reasons would that be - inducing euphoria?

Euphoria, perhaps. Escape from reality, false sense of contentment and satisfaction, etc. I agree with Monty. The born religious mostly don't know any better. Those who "find" Jesus are simply trading the bottle for the needle for the coke spoon for the Good Book. They are simply choosing the delivery vessel of their fix.
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:17 am    Post subject: Re: Erica Campbell Tragedy Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Erica Campbell's Website wrote:




My life is beginning NOW. From this day on I will live HIS will and HIS way. My heart is HIS.

Erica


That's the work of Satan... Snakeman
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:44 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

tinker683 wrote:
I for one hope she's much happier now than she was before. It sounded like she went through a lot of personal pain and despair and has finally found some sort of inner peace. I may not agree with the religion she's chosen to take up, but if she's happy then I say bravo to her.

I wish her the best and hope she finds what she's looking for.


I agree.

Many would like to eradicate religion, I am not one of them.

It seems to do so much for so many.
What I would like to eradicate is the violent and repressive versions.

While I've never used drugs (except alcohol) I don't have a problem with those who can use drugs responsibly.
I don't believe in God. But most of the people I know who do, use God belief "responsibly".
I personally don't believe that most people behave in a measurably different way whether they are a theist or not.
I think if you are a good person you will be one with or without God.
And vice-versa.
Many feel that religion keeps them in line.
And if believing in God keeps you from robbing that liquor store.
Please keep believing in God.

Where I differ with the religious is that they seem to judge me by belief or lack of,
rather than my behavior. I judge people by what they do, not what they say they will or will not do.
Well that plus bugging me about joining the club.
I'm not interested.

I wish this young woman well, and I hope she finds the happiness she's looking for.
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 10:29 am    Post subject: Re: Erica Campbell Tragedy Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Azrael wrote:
Ok, I can honestly understand her quitting porno, but going this far...wow...just, wow. Shocked
http://www.clubericacampbell.com/ (The link is SFW)


Not shocking for me. There is actually an organization of ex-whores turned on to Jesus. Edit here's another one: http://www.iamatreasure.com/

http://www.rationalresponders.com/stripper_evangelism_and_hookers_jesusa_new_breed_prosyletizers

Here's a roundtable discussion with one of the ladies...

Behind Closed Doors: The Reality of Prostitution
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90182347

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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 11:11 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Hookers for Jesus.. LOL LOL LOL Fucking brilliant.
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 11:41 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Amberli wrote:
Hookers for Jesus.. LOL LOL LOL Fucking brilliant.


From the Tamar wiki:

    In Genesis chapter 38, Tamar is first described as marrying Er, the eldest son of Judah; according to the text, Yahweh killed Er because he was wicked (although it doesn't give any further details), and so Judah asked his second son, Onan, to have sex with Tamar, so that the offspring could be declared Er's heir. The narrative implies that Onan didn't object to the sex itself, but performed coitus interruptus so that there wouldn't be any offspring he couldn't claim as his own, so Yahweh killed him. Judah is portrayed as viewing Tamar to be cursed, and is therefore relucant to give her to his remaining son, Shelah; he first tells Tamar to act like a widow, until Shelah, the youngest son, has grown up, and then when he finally does, he still won't give Tamar to Shelah in marriage.

    According to the text, after Judah's own wife had later died, he decided to use a prostitute at Enaim; the prostitute in question was Tamar, who wore a veil, making herself unrecognisable. The passage goes on to state that Judah offered to pay her a goat in arrears, but she asked for Judah's staff and seal as security towards this payment; having given her this security, he made her pregnant, but when he later sends the goat, she has gone and taken the seal and staff with her. The text states that three months later, Judah is told that Tamar had been acting as a prostitute, and had become pregnant as a result, so he orders that she should be burnt to death; Tamar sent a message to Judah with his signet ring and cords and staff; and announced that the owner of the items is the father of the children. Judah recognises them, stating that she is more righteous than he is. Judah, afterwards, takes her in to his house, but does not have any more sexual relations with her. Tamar later gives birth to twins (Perez and Zarah). Perez is in King David and Jesus Christ' lineage.


Hmm Jesus's great-great-great-great...grandfather was born from a smart whore fucking her uncle??? Good thing she played the trick back at him 'cause she would have been burnt to death. Twisted Evil

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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 8:34 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

So someone told her porn is evil and God is mad at her and is sending her to hell, now she feels guilty and is quitting porn. That's what belief in God is--alleviating one's feelings of guilt, usually for things that aren't actually wrong. Whatever. If that's what she needs to be happy, then fine, as long as she doesn't go overboard and start proselytizing to everyone she meets.
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I just can't understand why people have to resort to Jesus when getting out of something like this. Why can't they just say "Fuck you, you're not seeing me naked anymore!"?
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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 9:20 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Amberli wrote:
Hookers for Jesus.. LOL LOL LOL Fucking brilliant.


A guy at work's wife was at the bookstore. They're atheists, but she happened to be in the vacinity of the Christian section, and some woman shopping for Christian books started talking to the guy's wife. The stranger started talking about her ministry. The guy's wife was just being polite and saying, "uh huh" and the like, so the stranger dronned on about her ministry. It turns out the "ministry" was that she was a hooker, still working, but that she would recite some Bible verses to her Johns. So the stranger then leans over and whispers, "you know how I knew this was my mission? God gave me a tight pussy."
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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 9:29 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

If she doesn't want to do porn anymore, good for her.

But there's nothing "sinful" about it, for fuck's sake.
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caseagainstfaith wrote:
Amberli wrote:
Hookers for Jesus.. LOL LOL LOL Fucking brilliant.


A guy at work's wife was at the bookstore. They're atheists, but she happened to be in the vacinity of the Christian section, and some woman shopping for Christian books started talking to the guy's wife. The stranger started talking about her ministry. The guy's wife was just being polite and saying, "uh huh" and the like, so the stranger dronned on about her ministry. It turns out the "ministry" was that she was a hooker, still working, but that she would recite some Bible verses to her Johns. So the stranger then leans over and whispers, "you know how I knew this was my mission? God gave me a tight pussy."


If i'm not mistaken, for a time the Holy Roman Catholic Church officially allowed prostitution. Sure it was hundreds of years ago, but they did.
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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 6:17 am    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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It turns out the "ministry" was that she was a hooker, still working, but that she would recite some Bible verses to her Johns. So the stranger then leans over and whispers, "you know how I knew this was my mission? God gave me a tight pussy."




Ya telling me as an atheist you wouldn't hit that?

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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 4:53 pm    Post subject: Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I know it's wrong, but I sent her this:

Erica, please read this email in it's entirety. What I tell you now is the truth, verifiable by research if you so wish to do so. I know this may be heartbreaking considering the things you've been through and the new-found joy you've discovered, but Christianity, like all religions, is a myth. The idea of god was created by primitive men many thousands of years ago out of their ignorance of how the world works. Thousands and thousands of gods have be created, ranging from sun and moon gods to entire pantheons of gods to human sons of gods and everything in between. The gods fulfilled numerous purposes; to answer the unknown, to reward and punish according to how one lived their life, to provide a place where eternal life could be achieved and reunion with loved ones was possible, and many others. People prayed to them, gave them gifts, and made sacrifices in order to win their favor. There were gods of harvest, gods of fertility, gods of war, gods of love, etc. As cultures meshed and as nation conquered nation, some gods fell out of favor while others took on motifs from other god concepts. Popular stories and themes were transmitted throughout many nations and became part of their religious beliefs. For instance, there are over 600 flood stories found throughout the world, many predating the Noahic flood story in the book of Genesis. These stories were commonly found within societies close to large bodies of water. The Epic of Gilgamesh and tale of Deucalion and the Great Deluge have many similar elements when compared to the Biblical flood story and were written at about the same time or perhaps earlier, depending on what dates you accept. There were many creation myths that were similar to the Adam and Eve story, like the Sumerian tale of Enki and Ninhursag, which took place in a garden paradise called Edinu. There's also the Enuma Elish, a Sumerian Babylonian creation story with some similarities to the Biblical creation story. If you can set aside your Christian presuppositions, it's easy to see how these stories came about and influenced each other, and that they are all ancient mythology, none being any more true than the other.
There are also numerous dying and rising savior god stories that predate the writing of the New Testament. The story of Jesus contains scarcely anything unique, with virtually every element found in other belief systems from the same area of the world and from the same time frame and earlier. For instance, god stories of those like Mithras, Horus, Isis, Dionysus, Perseus, and numerous others contain elements similar to those found in the Jesus story, like the virgin birth, being visited by wise men at birth, being the son of a god and mortal woman, being born on the winter solstice(December 25th), etc. Even Justin Martyr, who wrote at about 150 AD, admits this fact in his work called First Apology when he states that what Christians say about Jesus is no different than what is said about the sons of Jupiter. In fact, there are no contemporary accounts of Jesus' being an historical person at all. All the writings in the New Testament were written somewhere between 30 to 100 years, depending on what dates you accept, after the events of the gospels supposedly took place, possibly even later than that. No one mentions Jesus in any extra-Biblical writings until the second century, with the exception of Flavius Josephus, whose two mentions of Jesus are suspiciously out of place and not mentioned by early church fathers who would have happily used them as evidence for Jesus. Most scholar believe these mentions, most popular of which is called the Testimonium Flavium, are forgeries, if not wholly then at least partially. Regardless, Josephus wrote Antiquities in 93 AD, some sixty years removed from the events and cannot be considered a contemporary witness, if not for that fact then because he wasn't born until 37 AD. All we have is hearsay evidence, second and third hand at best. In fact, there have been multiple stabs at placing Jesus within the historical record. Most widely known is the period of Herod Antipas, but far lesser known are writings that place Jesus under the rule of Alexander Janneus, who ruled at about 100 BC. Even the gospels can scarcely agree on any aspect of Jesus' life, and Paul, the earliest New Testament writer, seems to know nothing about his life other than his crucifixion and resurrection. .
In closing, though very brief, I have demonstrated how the idea of god and religion emerged from primitive people, how those ideas were transmitted throughout different cultures through intermingling and warfare, how the Jesus story arose from popular mythology from Asia Minor, the Roman empire, and elsewhere, and how Christianity is no truer than any of the other man-made mythologies created over the millenia. If you have any questions or comments, feel free to send them.
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She'll probably ignore it, but if she sends anything back post it.
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