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lumpymunk
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It's very easy to ask "innocent" questions that put teachers on the spot.
"Ummm, Remember the other day when you said that there was equal evidence against Evolution?? What is some of that, I'm really curious?"
...to which you could respond refuting whatever he/she brings up. (or at least I could).
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Actually, it's Ireland (well, UK) and I think it's more of his moral issues (I'm assuming a huge Christian).
Anyway, we had that English Peppered Moth example in our booklets but because of time constraints (ZOMFG GCSES ANY SECOND NOWS!!!) we didn't get to go over it.
But, it seemed to me that the Peppered Moth was actually an example of Natural Selection (which he does not seem to refute)?
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Without natural selection there is no evolution.
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| EvilEggCracker wrote: | Actually, it's Ireland (well, UK) and I think it's more of his moral issues (I'm assuming a huge Christian).
Anyway, we had that English Peppered Moth example in our booklets but because of time constraints (ZOMFG GCSES ANY SECOND NOWS!!!) we didn't get to go over it.
But, it seemed to me that the Peppered Moth was actually an example of Natural Selection (which he does not seem to refute)? |
No Natural Selection, No speciation.
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Gerard
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| baddogma wrote: | | What evidence IS there against evolution? Any? |
No. That's why what this teacher says is so mindbogglingly inaccurate. No evidence against evolution has ever appeared. That's why the theory is still unfalsified and standing.
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Moloth
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| Gerard wrote: | | baddogma wrote: | | What evidence IS there against evolution? Any? |
No. That's why what this teacher says is so mindbogglingly inaccurate. No evidence against evolution has ever appeared. That's why the theory is still unfalsified and standing.
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Gerard is evidence that evolution can create pure evil.
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| Moloth wrote: | | Gerard wrote: | | baddogma wrote: | | What evidence IS there against evolution? Any? |
No. That's why what this teacher says is so mindbogglingly inaccurate. No evidence against evolution has ever appeared. That's why the theory is still unfalsified and standing.
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Gerard is evidence that evolution can create pure evil.
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If you two ever end up meeting in person, I want to be there to enjoy the show.
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| BarkAtTheMoon wrote: | | Moloth wrote: | | Gerard wrote: | | baddogma wrote: | | What evidence IS there against evolution? Any? |
No. That's why what this teacher says is so mindbogglingly inaccurate. No evidence against evolution has ever appeared. That's why the theory is still unfalsified and standing.
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Gerard is evidence that evolution can create pure evil.
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God bless the Atlantic Ocean.................
Still, evolution has no goal. No teleology. Not even an evil one.
That should comfort you MOLOTH. That and the Atlantic Ocean of course...
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He shall twirl his mustache, swish his cane and the top hat upon his crown will be as black as his heart! I rue the day my monocle-adorned eye shall fall about his most foul countenance!
Gerard is a cad of the highest degree, i assure you!
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| baddogma wrote: | | Without natural selection there is no evolution. |
i rememer learning about natural selection in biology after that i was totally convinced I had a very good teacher he was religious he said:
"what if evolution is fact, and the tool in which god made things come to be."
thats the only thing he ever said regarding god to convince religious peolpe that evolution is not something to be feared but understood
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| Hit_me_up024 wrote: | | baddogma wrote: | | Without natural selection there is no evolution. |
i rememer learning about natural selection in biology after that i was totally convinced I had a very good teacher he was religious he said:
"what if evolution is fact, and the tool in which god made things come to be."
thats the only thing he ever said regarding god to convince religious peolpe that evolution is not something to be feared but understood |
Why would an all powerful god need a tool?
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Moloth
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| baddogma wrote: | | Hit_me_up024 wrote: | | baddogma wrote: | | Without natural selection there is no evolution. |
i rememer learning about natural selection in biology after that i was totally convinced I had a very good teacher he was religious he said:
"what if evolution is fact, and the tool in which god made things come to be."
thats the only thing he ever said regarding god to convince religious peolpe that evolution is not something to be feared but understood |
Why would an all powerful god need a tool? |
well, God certainly has enough people acting like tools, thats for sure...
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:16 pm Post subject: Re: Equal Evidence For and Against Evolution? |
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But is this actually true?
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Does anyone here have anything to, well, show him up?
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Most of us here can give you reams of information dealing with evolution. But, frankly, most of the information we could provide goes over the head of people who think like that. My best suggestion would be to ask for one reason for his believing that, and try to take it one baby step at a time.
I have a suspicion he'll make some of the following erroneous claims:
1. Claim there are no transitional fossils (wrong)
2. Claim it hasn't been observed (wrong)
3. Claim life is too complex to evolve (wrong)
4. Evolution violates Second Law of Thermodynamics (wrong)
I can think of several other things he might say, but, I think those are the most likely.
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Why would an all powerful god need a tool? |
I KNOW! I KNOW! PICK ME! PICK ME!
God has reasons for doing things that only God knows. If God chose to use evolution to bring about life, who are we to question him?
Okay, I just barfed. But, that is approx what any theistic-evolutionist would say. And, given the choice between Creationist or Theistic-evolutionist, well, I'd rather people be theistic evolutionists. That's at least a step in the right direction.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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| baddogma wrote: | | Without natural selection there is no evolution. |
Evolution was accepted as fact long before Darwin, all that was missing was a mechanism to accomplish the changes in organisms over time, and natural selection turned out to be the best idea for that mechanism that anyone had come up with prior to Darwin. No better ideas have come a long since, either, merely refinements of Darwin's theoary.
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